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greypower1
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They went to the TMO and called it accidental, penalty only!
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Keep the faith
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SA14
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I’m talking about the All blacks in general. They play the ref. Something any good team should do. That’s why they are the best team in the world. |
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GPR - Rochester
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You are totally correct SA14 in identifying the intelligence of the AB's in playing refs better than any other team. However the question raised by Aber-fan has nothing to do with playing the ref. Clearly a French player was seriously hurt by what most of us would call a cheap shot. That has nothing to do with intelligence or playing the ref. This type of tackle cannot be condoned whoever commits it and frankly your suggestion that it would have been acceptable to us if committed by a Scarlet player is not worthy of a response.
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aber-fan
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I am absolutely astonished. Unless the clip Kid A is too short, and doesn't show how it could have been interpreted as accidental, then to me (on what Kid A shows) it looks every bit as bad as Sonny Bill's hit, which rightly earned him a red card. In what universe is that only a penalty?
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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KID A
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They've been getting away with it for years. Filise got a red card and 3 week ban for this:
https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/936692944714846214 But they get a Penalty: It's not just this game v France. They get away with murder. Remember Tomas Francis got (probably deservedly) a ban for this? Owe Franks got nothing for this: Andrew Hoare missed 2 games for his assault on Bradely Davies: I think people are just getting really fed up of it. |
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Gate12
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So, the questions, any thoughts on them?
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NobbySosban
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It doesn't get any better the more you watch it, does it? As nailed on a 'shoulder to the head' as you could ever see, should have easily been confirmed in the TV replay (assuming the ref didn't see it at the time), yet just a penalty?!!
The seat-belt tackle on Grosso is far worse than committed by Gabrillagues (which Ryan Crotty made a fwpbal-like meal of to get a momentum-shifting yellow card), as it's actually around the neck rather than on the shoulder, and the sickening shoulder impact by Tu'ungafasi is a clear straight red these days, no debate, no matter if he dipped while being dragged down by the neck by Cane. People complain about consistency of reffing, and that needs to be backed up with action from citing commissioners. The only consistency we seem to have is that New Zealand consistently get more favourable decisions at key moments in big games. |
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SA14
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I don’t care. I’m pointing out they get away with it. |
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John
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We all are
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aber-fan
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I think I misunderstood your original post - I assumed that you were referring to refs, whereas in this instance you were saying that the ref was crap and the ABs were very good at getting away with murder. Did I get it right this time?
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Fscarlet
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World Rugby today revealed that Tu’ungafasi had received
a citing commissioner warning from independent citing commissioner
Freek Burger, of South Africa.
Having considered all available camera angles, Freek decided the prop had executed a dangerous tackle “just short of” red card level. He determined there were mitigating factors which prevented the conduct from reaching red card level. These included Grosso’s body position lowering as he went into contact with Cane, immediately before Tu’ungafasi joined “a dynamic tackle situation”. As for Cane’s initial tackle, Freek agreed with referee Pearce’s decision to issue a penalty against him, so no further action was warranted. |
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SA14
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They play the game intelligently. It’s admirable. |
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aber-fan
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We'd all agree with the first sentence. They are the top team - no question. But is everything they do 'admirable', including that tackle, or Sonny Bill's, or the one done by the U20 player the other day? Do you bow down before all their acts, irrespective of what they are? You haven't yet given a straight answer to any of my questions - please have the honesty to do so this time - or are you in training to be a politician?
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SA14
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Yes and yes. So many quotes in quotes I got lost lol
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aber-fan
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OK - at least we know where you stand on dirty play now!
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Fscarlet
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WoL doing their best to fan the flames of the fire by rolling it on, giving following examples of incidents by All Black players: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/furious-backlash-against-new-zealand-14780321 Owen Franks’ hand in the face of Kane DouglasAndrew Hore’s hit on Bradley DaviesThe off the ball challenge on Brian O’Driscoll (Lions test series)The brutal match between Ireland and New ZealandThe Leigh Halfpenny incident (illegal shoulder challenge from Tawera Kerr-Barlow (who was playing for the Maori ABs))Accused of targeting Lions No.9 Conor MurrayThe Wales Under-20s furore (the charge on Ioan Nicholas) |
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