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ladram
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got to agree with both of you here,yes we want the best players in wales but I agree with gareth in as much that there is no way if zammitt with us this season he would have had the amount of appearances he has had with Gloucester,george north with wales is a classic example of sticking with a player however bad he is playing we have promising 28 year olds in wales,
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GPR - Rochester
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Come on now Steff address the real issue - I never said that Jonny or Hadleigh should not play for Wales did I. Pivac's words are correctly quoted are they not? In your opinion should Hadleigh or Jonny be selected ahead of Welsh born players based on their current form with the Scarlets? As for 20 players tahts a hell of a lot from the Scarlets squad - can't believe it I'm afraid.
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RR1972
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Cap him and tie him to wales.
He is still in education as well as playing rugby isn't he? so he is hardly going to move just yet The boy looks rapid, has good skills and can score trys we would be daft to risk him being snapped up by England Unlike stef there are no question marks over his pace, unlike lane he is a genuine winger not a converted centre, unlike north he is in good form and unlike jonny he will be in his prime for the next world cup Pick him in the squad put him on the bench vs Italy cap him and then decide if we want to risk him for the rest of the 6 nations once he is tied to wales for ever
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RR1972
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the other question is how much would it benefit him to be playing in two poor sides who are often getting beaten up in the forwards and have v little ball He is playing outside guys like Heinz ciprani and woodward , he is learning from them and he is in a team that is playing well in the best domestic league in Europe and is also doing well in the top cup competition in Europe as well What would he be learning playing outside the likes of luke price and or jack Dixon? Let him finish his studies see out his contract and at 21 he can still come back to the regional game and have a long career here in wales at regional and test level
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GPR - Rochester
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That would be the common sense approach RR1972 but far too many fellow members seem to want to punish Welsh players who have the audacity to realise that the World doesn't end slightly east of Newport. You also make a very valid point about the standards available in Welsh regions. We still have a slightly conservative approach with young players even at the Scarlets who are by far and away the pick of the regions.
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Owen111
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Im pretty glad for the 60 cap rule after seeing the mass exodus of players form the SA teams in Super Rugby this season. World Cup champs or not.
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miaow
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Why unlikely? Of course he'll learn more playing in a league where week in, week out standards are demanded, not allowing teams to coast along so stretches of games (Ospreys) or even seasons (Dragons) developing a losing mentality and not developing the right kind of robustness or basic skills. He's still learning the game. English rugby is tougher, and Gloucester also play good, attacking rugby. He won't be missing out by coming home. Josh Adams should be a prime example how it's good for the mind and maturity as well. If he came home he'd get the Cuthbert treatment as a Welsh star who's never really held to account or picked on merit. At Gloucester, if he underperforms, he'll be dropped. That's enough motivation to improve instead of treading water. It's pretty simple. If he's succeeding in England, stay in England. If a player is succeeding in Wales, stay in Wales. Only when the toughness of the English Premiership and the way they treat their players like bags of meat becomes apparent is it vital to bring Welsh players home. Once LRZ has had one or two major injuries, and it's less about developing basic skills and experience than it is about game management and Wales-specific fitness, then it makes total sense to bring him to the region. If you're telling him he should move home because of some sense of national "duty" then it's hard to take you seriously. Rugby's professional. Everyone has to look out for themselves now.
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miaow
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Agreed. No one wants an either/or situation like in New Zealand or Scotland. This system is good, it's halfway house and an imperfect balance between strong regions and recognising that players will develop and be top players outside Wales as well.
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Havard Fan
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Sorry, but have to disagree with this. The clause to allow players to be chosen for Wales, who have not yet been capped, is extremely fair. Imagine being a regional player and cast aside, where the only place you get picked up is in England. (Josh Adams, Dan Thomas & Sam Lewis). Then imagine that you develop further and hit a level where you could potentially play for the country of your birth, but you are blocked as you are no longer playing in Wales. This is clearly not your fault and you shouldn't be penalised for it. The Zammit case is slightly different, I agree. He's been offered a paid scholarship in England and Gloucester have given him a shot. He's been playing on an academy contract until now. Gloucester probably want some additional game time from him before he has to come back to Wales, so get a nice juicy contract in front of him before he's potentially selected for the 6 nations squad. Don't blame them at all as it's a wise move. You also cannot blame the boy, as a full senior pro contract is all young rugby players aspirations. However he's clearly nailed his international future to Wales, where it would be wise to cap him, before he qualifies for England on residency grounds. Adding to our depth is key, especially as we don't use our capture team any more (A team)
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ousbappvic
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He gets more gametime in England, (and is taking up a spot for a possible young English talent )
Every other region has back line players who could make a case for the welsh squad soon. Ospreys: Luke Morgan Keelan Giles George North Scarlets (we have 4): Johnny McNicholl Liam Williams Steff Evans Leigh Halfpenny Blues: Josh Adams Hallam Amos Owen Lane (Matthew Morgan?) Dragons: Rio Dyer (great young talent) Ashton Hewitt Jordan Williams Yes Rees Zammit is better than a lot of the players in this list, but is it worth taking the minutes off potential Welsh bolters rather than the fact that he's getting week in week out minutes at Gloucester
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miaow
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I'd like Wales to have another look at Luke Morgan at some point. He's absolutely lethal with ball in hand an outside to run at, and could easily have been key to the Ospreys beating Saracens if they weren't so uncoached and useless once they make linebreaks.
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GPR - Rochester
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Surely you don't mean that Sherratt is useless!!!! Some on here think he is god's gift to coaching. Me I agree with you.
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GPR - Rochester
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Some posters on here are suggesting that we should pick Rees-Zammit, give him some minutes against Italy and then let him develop for a few years as he is then tied. I do not agree. This boy is good enough, in my opinion, shared by Ugo Monye & Jonathan Davies (Jiffy) that he is good enough to play fro Wales now.
He would be my pick at 14 against Italy with Liam on the bench. After that game & with the benefit of seeing him in training and with a match under his belt the coaching staff will have a decision to make for the Ireland game with hopefully Liam fully fit along with Leigh & Adams.
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Fscarlet
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At the end of the day we should pick on form, Rees-Zammit is the in form Welsh winger & deserves a start against Italy. He is streets ahead of any other Welsh winger at the moment & it should be him & Adams starting the first match of the championship.
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ladram
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limped off injured yesterday,don't know how bad it is.
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GPR - Rochester
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Yes didn't look good but he was playing very well up to that point against a decent winger - Cheslan Colbe. He scored a try early doors but for me the highlight was when he gave their full back a 20 metre start from an intercept and caught him 10 metres out - absolute sheer gas. Also he was safe under the bomb and very dangerous in the air off attacking kicks. It will be real shame if he is not fit to start against Italy. This boy is the real deal - for me the most exciting winger in Britain & Ireland by a street.
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