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Good perfomance of our players..about Nicholas is good he can play in almost all positions of the field, but still I m understanding where is better..good mix between him and Baldwin in the midfield.
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There is a Josh Bashan playing lock for the English u20 side. Can't find anything to say he is related to Taine but Josh was born in Wrexham. Unusual name - cousins perhaps?
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An interesting match, and a good win...

From a Scarlets PoV, i thought Nicholas was outstanding - I've felt that at pro-14 level he lacks a bit of physicality, but not at this level - very good indeed in defence (one probable try-saving tackle included) and took his try following a cute grubber behind the Aussie line perfectly, just staying on-side and touching down inches from the dead ball line. So, I'm now a bit more optimistic that he can step up to pro level as he matures physically - he has the gas and the rugby brain. Conbeer had few chances, but made the initial break before the second try - basically set up by a brilliant outside break by Baldwin, showing power to fend off the tackler and timing his pass to Goodchild perfectly. Davies was one of an outstanding back row.

In general, it looked as if Wales won the game thanks to an excellent defence, very well coached - they gave the Aussies next to nothing all evening - with very good line speed, and big guys like Max Williams smashing the Aussie midfield. Our spot blitz was so quick, I think the ref mistakenly penalised Wales for offside a couple of times! Wales also looked more dangerous ball in hand, but the halves kicked too much and not always accurately. The Aussies skills were surprisingly poor at times - they blew a couple of chances with bad handling.

So, a good win - now for the ABs...!
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Thanks for the summary Aber - I missed the game. It's so easy to forget that these lads are still only 20. Ioan has been around the 1st team set up since he was 17 so he must have the minerals as far as the coaches see. His natural position seems to be 12 & as he matures physically he may well be our long term successor to Scott/Hadleigh. Apparently in his youth days he played a lot at 10 so clearly has a kicking game which is a bonus at 12. He, like Steff Hughes, is a good thinker & invariably makes the right decision a huge bonus for a 2nd playmaker. 

Baldwin has power and pace. With both the 12 & 13 for both the 18's & 20's coming from the Scarlets academy our midfield options are looking good for years to come. Dan Davis has always been a favourite of mine and he continues to impress. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Thanks for the summary Aber - I missed the game. It's so easy to forget that these lads are still only 20. Ioan has been around the 1st team set up since he was 17 so he must have the minerals as far as the coaches see. His natural position seems to be 12 & as he matures physically he may well be our long term successor to Scott/Hadleigh. Apparently in his youth days he played a lot at 10 so clearly has a kicking game which is a bonus at 12. He, like Steff Hughes, is a good thinker & invariably makes the right decision a huge bonus for a 2nd playmaker. 

Baldwin has power and pace. With both the 12 & 13 for both the 18's & 20's coming from the Scarlets academy our midfield options are looking good for years to come. Dan Davis has always been a favourite of mine and he continues to impress. 

No problem.

Interesting that you mention Baldwin's 'power and pace', as in another thread I doubted he had those to the same level as Foxy (who does?), but that he'd be fine at pro-14 level... he's still maturing, and I haven't seen that much of him, so maybe I've underestimated what he can achieve. I've seen hardly anything of Dan Davis, so good to hear that he's quality.

Also, interesting that Nicholas can kick... I don't remember him doing so once last night, so it's a useful additional weapon in his armoury. The Wales 10, Jones, didn't kick that well last night - I've seen him play a lot better. Cai Evans, Ieuan's son, kicked superbly for goal - most were from halfway, or near that - and also looked assured in all he did. Pity he's with the Os!


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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Thanks for the summary Aber - I missed the game. It's so easy to forget that these lads are still only 20. Ioan has been around the 1st team set up since he was 17 so he must have the minerals as far as the coaches see. His natural position seems to be 12 & as he matures physically he may well be our long term successor to Scott/Hadleigh. Apparently in his youth days he played a lot at 10 so clearly has a kicking game which is a bonus at 12. He, like Steff Hughes, is a good thinker & invariably makes the right decision a huge bonus for a 2nd playmaker. 

Baldwin has power and pace. With both the 12 & 13 for both the 18's & 20's coming from the Scarlets academy our midfield options are looking good for years to come. Dan Davis has always been a favourite of mine and he continues to impress. 

No problem.

Interesting that you mention Baldwin's 'power and pace', as in another thread I doubted he had those to the same level as Foxy (who does?), but that he'd be fine at pro-14 level... he's still maturing, and I haven't seen that much of him, so maybe I've underestimated what he can achieve. I've seen hardly anything of Dan Davis, so good to hear that he's quality. Also, interesting that Nicholas can kick... I don't remember him doing so once last night, so it's a useful additional weapon in his armoury. The Wales 10, Jones, didn't kick that well last night - I've seen him play a lot better. Cai Evans, Ioan's son, kicked superbly for goal - most were from halfway, or near that - and also looked assured in all he did. Pity he's with the Os!

I like to see Cai playing at 10 where his all round kicking talents can be used fully. Think we may be short of an out and out natural FB hence his selection. The O's just maybe have their next 10 coming along nicely. He'll certainly give Sam a bit of a hurry up next season. I read an interesting article by one of the coaches of the 20's back in the days of Foxy. He said that the power to weight performances of Warburton, Halfpenny & Foxy were off the scale at the time which earmarked them for the future. Be interesting to be privy to the physical attributes of the current crop. 
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Stop the kicking!!!!!
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Great win against the aussies, sadly a 42-10 hammering to all blacks today...the chasm is still huge at all levels , why why why>???
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It was a poor display by the half backs. No control and too much kicking.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Great win against the aussies, sadly a 42-10 hammering to all blacks today...the chasm is still huge at all levels , why why why>???


Physique and physicality a big factor today. We were built (quite rightly) like a junior age group side. They were not. The kids of South Sea Island heritage families are renowned for getting to an adult physique very quickly. That is why they generally Now play weight related rugby instead of age-related rugby at schoolboy level.

Should have been a red card at the end?
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Great win against the aussies, sadly a 42-10 hammering to all blacks today...the chasm is still huge at all levels , why why why>???


Because they are taught skills at a young age and they just do them so well. Contrast with the Welsh performance last night- passes always rushed and going in all directions and at all heights. The first try was nearly butchered twice..Remember Michael Collins never made a mistake when he was here- nor was he ever out of position. And Pivac has expressed surprise at the lack of basic skills he found when he got here. But he did have two young coaches in Stevo and Ioan who were prepared to learn on a trip to NZ and who were prepared to work hard on the players.

The first great coach in rugby was Carwyn and his influence was further developed in NZ. Not only do you have to have the skills but you have to follow Carwyn's mantra that rugby is a thinking game... "think, think, think..." he would tell the players.  As the generations of Scarlets coaches have come and gone, Carwyn's influence waned and it has taken Pivac to get it back. You have to have the skills absolutely engrained and then you can start to play rugby as a thinking man's game. Yes the physical aspect is important but you do not have to play biff-bash rugby to be successful.  
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  Dire performance utterly clueless it makes you think what the Wales 20s coaches do in training ? kick kick and kick again .
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It wasn't just too much kicking, but very poor kicking giving the ball back to the All Blacks to attack as many times as they pleased. Perhaps they see Ben jones as a sort of Neil Jenkins Mk II but at least Jenkins was good at what he did. We had a group of talented backs who hardly so the ball, and if this was the game plan then perhaps it's the coaches who should be taking the criticism.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2018 at 6:23pm
I'm afraid Ben Jones has kicked poorly during this tournament, but the guy who came on was no better - worrying that we don't seem to have a better 10 at this level in Wales. There were too many mistakes by Wales... the ABs were way better, and physically stronger in a number of positions.

Why do the AB players - or some of them - feel the need to put in cheap shots, when they're going to win anyway? That was an obvious red card at the end. but the ref bottled it.
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Unless you can kick like Sexton and a few others (the NZ U20 half backs for a start) then don't kick unless to touch or big space behind. If I'd have been a forward today, having just at last won some ball on or near half way to see our backs kick it (time and again) straight down the throats of such great attackers I'd not have been Happy. They got great ground from all our kicks today.
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For the first twenty minutes every time their 9 (who looked about 14 by the way) kicked he either hit grass or was at a contestable level, which stopped Cai Evans from jinking through and having time on the ball. 
Wales did some good stuff. The build up to Basham's try, for example, was very good. Good line out, using a quality strike runner (Carre) against their 10, recycled quickly with two lines of attack, pulled it back, Basham made a top top finish. But overall we were by far the second best team.

A word for Basham. Not his best game but what a player. Hard to believe he's only 18.
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