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Doesn't help when Mr Been is the ref.
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Pacific Islanders are that size because they are on the gear from a young age to get scouted to play for money.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Pacific Islanders are that size because they are on the gear from a young age to get scouted to play for money.


Not the case - unless almost all those with island heritage in NZ are on gear to get scouted. I've got cousins in their 30s born and bred out there and they say it was the case when they were at school even before the game went pro.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Pacific Islanders are that size because they are on the gear from a young age to get scouted to play for money.
Where's your evidence? Pretty harsh thing to say.
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How hard does the New Zealand player have to hit Nicholas to get a red?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sosban bach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2018 at 11:22am
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

Pacific Islanders are that size because they are on the gear from a young age to get scouted to play for money.
Where's your evidence? Pretty harsh thing to say.

It's been known for a few years tbh. Think an ex Fijian player said the other day that world rugby need to help sort the problem out as it's seen as the best chance to get out of poverty in these islands. You only have to google to see its talked about really. They aren't all naturally this size that's just stupid to think so. All Welsh men under 5'6 so it's easy to work in the mines? https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/81426397/kiwi-in-charge-of-world-antidrugs-agency-lifts-lid-on-first-xv-rugby-doping
I can get more links if you don't want to look yourself?
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Steroids are used by many I'm not saying it's just the Pacific islands, be intresting to see how many would test posiitive in your local club.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

How hard does the New Zealand player have to hit Nicholas to get a red?


I've only seen the short clips doing the rounds on the Twitbook, but given World Rugby's well publicised stance on high hits, it seems in conceivable that some of these 'hits' weren't dealt with more firmly, particularly after TMO intervention.

Surely this one should have been a case of 'which colour card' to use? - start with a red and work down if there are mitigating factors, of which there are none here. The Baby Black may well face a citing and suspension, but a showpiece international development tournament for young players has to be the place to make sure decisions are seen to be right on the field.

Take nothing away from the New Zealand U20s' superior strength and ability, but the number of these type of incidents in just one game needs addressing - even this short clip, with the previous passer also being pushed to the ground to take him out of the game, it's almost as if this approach to the game is being coached into them... Ermm ...and that's what World Rugby needs to tackle.


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Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

How hard does the New Zealand player have to hit Nicholas to get a red?



I've only seen the short clips doing the rounds on the Twitbook, but given World Rugby's well publicised stance on high hits, it seems in conceivable that some of these 'hits' weren't dealt with more firmly, particularly after TMO intervention.

Surely this one should have been a case of 'which colour card' to use? - start with a red and work down if there are mitigating factors, of which there are none here. The Baby Black may well face a citing and suspension, but a showpiece international development tournament for young players has to be the place to make sure decisions are seen to be right on the field.

Take nothing away from the New Zealand U20s' superior strength and ability, but the number of these type of incidents in just one game needs addressing - even this short clip, with the previous passer also being pushed to the ground to take him out of the game, it's almost as if this approach to the game is being coached into them... Ermm ...and that's what World Rugby needs to tackle.




Well articulated as usual Nobby.

Then there's this one, which wasn't even a penalty. Consider what Steff got against the Ospreys. The only mitigating factor I can see is that the NZ player was caught out by the Wales player deciding to go in the air.



But that's not accounted for in the laws. A tackle in the air - is a tackle in the air. This one was given a penalty that won the Lions a test match against New Zealand. So inconsistent.




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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

How hard does the New Zealand player have to hit Nicholas to get a red?


That's as clear a red as you'd want to see - the ref bottled it. unlike the one who carded Sonny Bill for something not all that different.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

How hard does the New Zealand player have to hit Nicholas to get a red?



That's as clear a red as you'd want to see - the ref bottled it. unlike the one who carded Sonny Bill for something not all that different.


His disciplinary bis tomorrow - so clearly the citing officer thought it probably merited more than a yellow card. I should cocoa!
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No arms, clear lead with the shoulder, appears to hit the head, very late, he could have pulled out. What more could he have done wrong ?????

Please don't tell me that the tackle in the air hasn't attracted a citing ?

The ref/TMO should also be reprimanded for not taking firmer action during the game on both incidents.

These are two vicious incidents. Perhaps the WRU should cite these examples as showing a complete lack of player welfare. Oh hang on !


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Don't think the tackle in the air has as only one kiwi up to be seen.
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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Don't think the tackle in the air has as only one kiwi up to be seen.

I take your word for it, but that is a complete joke !
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Cheap also as he knew Nicholas wasn’t even looking or ready for the hit, as his head was following the ball. Nasty one under the modern pro rules.
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I can only assume the ref and TMO thought he hit his chest not head but even if so (& not so sure!) - still no arms tackle, very late, impact above nipple line and clearly intentional with no attempt to use arms. I can see him missing rest of tournament. Would behave little sympathy.
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