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    Posted: 13 January 2020 at 9:11am
Here we go with the squad I think will be announced on Wednesday.

Back 3 : Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Amos, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Webb, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, GriffRhys John
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard, Shingler
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty,                       : 19
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Back 3 : Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Amos, McNichol, Rees-Zammit, Lane
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Webb, Biggar, Evans, Callum Sheedy (Bristol)

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Brown, Lewis, WillGriff John
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard, Shingler
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty,

I'd also like to see Max Clark there from Bath but he's been out injured and no clue on when he's back.
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All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.

Parkes form for us prior to the six nations last year was bad and he ended up being one of the best players. Seems he hasn't turned it on for us in a while
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Here we go with the squad I think will be announced on Wednesday.

Back 3 : Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Amos, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Webb, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, GriffRhys John
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard, Shingler
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty,                       : 19
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.

Parkes form for us prior to the six nations last year was bad and he ended up being one of the best players. Seems he hasn't turned it on for us in a while

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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Here we go with the squad I think will be announced on Wednesday.

Back 3 : Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Amos, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Webb, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, GriffRhys John
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard, Shingler
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty,                       : 19
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Here we go with the squad I think will be announced on Wednesday.

Back 3 : Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Amos, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Webb, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, GriffRhys John
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard, Shingler
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty,                       : 19
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Back 3 :
Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Lane, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Rhodri, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, WillGriff
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty, Basham                    : 19

If Callum Sheedy has decided if he wants to play for Wales then I would make room for him - a fine prospect at 10 and 12.
also fair few of the ones I have selected are 50/50 with their injuries...


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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Back 3 :
Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Lane, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Rhodri, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, WillGriff
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty, Basham                    : 19

If Callum Sheedy has decided if he wants to play for Wales then I would make room for him - a fine prospect at 10 and 12.
also fair few of the ones I have selected are 50/50 with their injuries...

Haven't seen much of Sheedy - how good is he? I note that Owen Willams had a good game for Gloucester, good to see him back. 
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.

I agree with you but we are very thin in that position. If young Baldwin can get a run of games he won't be far off. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Back 3 :
Halfpenny, Liam, Adams, Lane, McNichol, Rees-Zammit
Centres : Parkes, North, Scott, Watkin
Half Backs : Cawdor, Tomos, Rhodri, Biggar, Evans, Sam Davies                : 16

Props : Wyn, Rob, Carre, Smith, Brown, Lewis, WillGriff
Hookers : Ken, Dee, Ryan
Rows : AWJ, Jake, Hill, Beard
Back Row : Faletau, Navidi, Wainwright, Tipuric, Moriarty, Basham                    : 19

If Callum Sheedy has decided if he wants to play for Wales then I would make room for him - a fine prospect at 10 and 12.
also fair few of the ones I have selected are 50/50 with their injuries...

Haven't seen much of Sheedy - how good is he? I note that Owen Willams had a good game for Gloucester, good to see him back. 
outstanding. I wouldn't mind Scarlets getting him. Obviously he is yet to commit to Wales, England or Ireland. He has played games for both Wales and England which don't tie him to either. If he stays in Bristol with his new deal, I would say Wales is a no go for him.
Owen Williams certainly needs to head back to Wales. bad luck of injuries, but could very well be an outsider to make the squad with the midfield crisis Wales have at the moment.
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Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.


Agree with that. If I were Watkin I'd leave the Ospreys asap and look to join a team where he's held to account. Honestly, know it wouldn't go down well here, but he'd be much better with us developing his running game. He's not kicked on since the U20s yet but showed quality at that level. Needs to 'fill out' a bit to play international rugby as he's not rapid, he's not really skillful, and he's not strong either. A bit of another Andrew Bishop in the making if he doesn't push himself. With us, he'd at least get running rugby under his belt, and that's the way Pivac and Steveo are going.

Honestly though it's a position of weakness in Wales. Three top class centres in the last 15 years: Henson, Foxy, and maybe Scott. Two of them never came close to reaching their potential. Jamie Roberts maximised his potential and he was a great servant but never a top centre. That's why we could line up with Parkes and Haloholo against the All Blacks in the summer. Absolute disgrace, really. Shouldn't be happening. Steff's not the answer either. Thomas Wheeler at the Ospreys looks decent but not seen enough of him to say he's ready for Wales yet.

Scott was massively underrated and still is. He makes mistakes for Wales which costs him, because he also has made far more game changing moves and plays and whatever than Roberts did in twice the caps Scott has. You can see why Gatland dropped him. If he played less heads up rugby and made fewer mistakes he would have picked him. Same with Pivac. He's too much of a natural rugby player and trusts his instincts a bit too much, which sometimes works magnificently, sometimes punishes the team. Scott was/is as equally talented as Foxy for me. Could have had equal careers.
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Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban bach Sosban bach wrote:

All those centres mentioned worry the hell out of me Parkes for poor form, Scott in a team that cannot do anything attack wise and he’s been injury riddled since going here sadly for him. North an awful 13 and watkin still imo is highly overrated. Troubling times for wales to find another good 13 and a solid on form 12 would be great. I’d honestly take steff over Hadleigh at 12 based on this season. Steff is not and shouldn’t be played at 13 there aren’t many who can play both apart from Scott and to a high standard! People certainly underestimated how good he was for us and kept our defensive back line honest.

Parkes form for us prior to the six nations last year was bad and he ended up being one of the best players. Seems he hasn't turned it on for us in a while


He's at an age where he can't excel for both. Thought tbh thought he was average in the world cup as well, same as Foxy (injury). Parkes is just solid when you need it. He's like Jamie Roberts really, but with a bit more footballing skills. You can see why coaches pick him. But think the days of us having peak Parkes at the Parc (lol) are over.
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Sheedy's fine if he signs before he gets capped. I don't think he will play for England. Ireland is a more likely route. He'll know his caps will be limited for England. He's Welsh anyway. Properly Welsh, born and bred. He'll have wanted to play for Wales growing up and that's the big difference. I wouldn't stress Welsh boys doing a Dewi Morris tbh. Moriarty was never going to play for them. Same with Sheedy. The attractive thing for England is the matchday fee but it doesn't mean much if he wins 2 caps - great, £50k. But he'll earn loads more if he gets 50 Wales caps. He's also 24 years old so not young. I don't think there's a rush to cap new people in the Six Nations tbh. That's what next autumn and the summer tour in 2021 is for. It cheapens the cap and makes competition a bit of a joke. Have to reward form and consistency.

Also overlooked is how big the step up from regions to international rugby, and the likes of Parkes etc. probably can't play well in both. Look at Halfpenny and how well he's played since he was dropped. Not just coming back from the world cup, but last year as well. I think we forget how massive the step up can be and how much it takes out of players to the point it takes weeks to recover.
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 owen lane maybe considered 13 hal amos too?

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