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Can't see tackling at waist or below as helping  as it will do more to ensure that tacklers' heads go into pumping knees.
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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Can't see tackling at waist or below as helping  as it will do more to ensure that tacklers' heads go into pumping knees.

I never had a knee to the head when tackling. The onus is on the tackler to get his/her head to the side thus avoiding the knee. From the side, arm in front, arm behind, then let your momentum take you around the side of the ball carrier so that your head is resting on the backside.

That's why LH used to get injured. He invariably put his head in front of the player he was tackling, so was having his head knocked sideways.

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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Can't see tackling at waist or below as helping  as it will do more to ensure that tacklers' heads go into pumping knees.
 

Exactly what I was thinking.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Can't see tackling at waist or below as helping  as it will do more to ensure that tacklers' heads go into pumping knees.

I never had a knee to the head when tackling. The onus is on the tackler to get his/her head to the side thus avoiding the knee. From the side, arm in front, arm behind, then let your momentum take you around the side of the ball carrier so that your head is resting on the backside.

That's why LH used to get injured. He invariably put his head in front of the player he was tackling, so was having his head knocked sideways.



Defending on the line would be a guaranteed try every time when not being able to take man and ball.

Stopping a try scoring opportunity would result in a penalty try if they did try, don't think it would work.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 9:47am
None of the recent high profile incidents have been knee to the head ( Blade, Halfpenny, Ben John, Rob Evs). All are collision based..many related to aerial kicks, if in fact there is a theme.
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I dont think knees to the head has ever been a issue, far more of an issue is the tendency to get a hip to the head. 

I think if we want alternatives to lowering the legal tackle height then we should look at awarding more penalties to the defending side in order than we encourage low tackles. Sides and defence coaches are now asking their players to tackle higher in order that a 3-5s tackle is made and a messy ruck. This is because teams get little back from jackaling these days. 

This has also effected the way we play - not only have we lost out best breakdown exponents but referees are also giving less at the breakdown. 

With it now clear that contact with the head (usually) results in a card of sorts, I think the next step is encouragement via indirect inscentive to tackle lower. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ap sior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 10:08am
Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

Can't see tackling at waist or below as helping  as it will do more to ensure that tacklers' heads go into pumping knees.

I never had a knee to the head when tackling. The onus is on the tackler to get his/her head to the side thus avoiding the knee. From the side, arm in front, arm behind, then let your momentum take you around the side of the ball carrier so that your head is resting on the backside.

That's why LH used to get injured. He invariably put his head in front of the player he was tackling, so was having his head knocked sideways.



Defending on the line would be a guaranteed try every time when not being able to take man and ball.

Stopping a try scoring opportunity would result in a penalty try if they did try, don't think it would work.

Not necessarily so. It will depend on the size of the carrier and tackler. It will also depend on the referee making sure that players do not bind on to the ball carrier before contact is made with the defender. It also depends on the tackler getting the angles correct and lifting slightly as he hits.

How many times during a match do you see a ball carrier being knocked backwards in a tackle ? 

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Chief's tackle on Andy Robinson at Sardis Road ! I also give you Perego's tackle on Aled Williams at CAP in the Cup semi. The same match as when Proctor turned Titley inside out and then back inside in !



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Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.
Do you mean no lifting in line outs or have I misinterpreted?
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.


That is open to abuse I'm afraid.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ap sior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.


That is open to abuse I'm afraid.

Harlequins abused that a few season ago. 

Didn't Leicester also do it when they beat the Blues on penalties in the HCSF ? They brought back on a French scrum half who could kick goals. There was a question mark over whether he'd been substituted tactically, or been taken off injured.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.

Interesting selection of changes. I have heard far worse suggestions. The substitute rule is worth exploring. If players were forced to play 80 minutes as a rule then they would change shape pretty quickly. Aerobic fitness would replace bulk and the resultant collisions with less bulk and less contact between fresh and tiring players would clearly be beneficial. 

The idea of not alllowing any player to leave the ground to catch a ball apart from the lineout is also interesting. It would make Steff Evans suddenly become a better defender overnight for one thing and Sexton would have to re-think his attacking ploys. In seriousness it does tackle the problem head on & address the main area of concern/injury. 
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Independent medical assessment of the injured players and any abuse of the system by teams punished by reversing the match result. Simple 🤗
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote diego6754 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Independent medical assessment of the injured players and any abuse of the system by teams punished by reversing the match result. Simple 🤗
 

The Irish would either own the panel or bribe them one of the two. 'To be sure Sextons leg definitely fell off there and he was legitamatly replaced by a prop who had indeed recovered from the injury he was taken off for earlier in the game' I can see it now!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ScarletBear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2019 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Reduce the number of substitutes and only allow them as genuine injury replacements.
Ban jumping in the air to catch a ball.
Lower tackle height to below ribcage.
Ban lifting or supporting a lineout jumper.

Problem reduced by at least 50%.

Interesting selection of changes. I have heard far worse suggestions. The substitute rule is worth exploring. If players were forced to play 80 minutes as a rule then they would change shape pretty quickly. Aerobic fitness would replace bulk and the resultant collisions with less bulk and less contact between fresh and tiring players would clearly be beneficial. 

The idea of not alllowing any player to leave the ground to catch a ball apart from the lineout is also interesting. It would make Steff Evans suddenly become a better defender overnight for one thing and Sexton would have to re-think his attacking ploys. In seriousness it does tackle the problem head on & address the main area of concern/injury. 

While I support it in theory, I just don't think it is practical. So imagine midway through a Wales v Oz game. The ball is pumped to the corner and 5'10" Steff is standing next to 6'4" Folau. The Ozzie catches the ball, while Steff stands next to him, unable to jump because he knows it will create a penalty try situation and an auto 2 points. What player would have that level of reserve?
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