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Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

As it stands, we aren't good enough to get any further than the quarters even if we win away next weekend Embarrassed think being dropped down into the second tier tournament this season was a wake up call for us this season, and now to be fighting to even qualify out of group is another slap in the face of where we really are at. Embarrassed

Hate being negative, but we're way off competing in Europe after what I've watched this weekend in the RCC games.
We're good enough to beat any team in this comp in a KO game, especially in the Spring. Our failing is the inability to adapt to arm wrestle conditions and poor weather.
Remember Bath at home in the Champs Cup?
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

As it stands, we aren't good enough to get any further than the quarters even if we win away next weekend Embarrassed think being dropped down into the second tier tournament this season was a wake up call for us this season, and now to be fighting to even qualify out of group is another slap in the face of where we really are at. Embarrassed

Hate being negative, but we're way off competing in Europe after what I've watched this weekend in the RCC games.
We're good enough to beat any team in this comp in a KO game, especially in the Spring. Our failing is the inability to adapt to arm wrestle conditions and poor weather.
Remember Bath at home in the Champs Cup?

 We did not play the conditions well ,but to play Toulon on Sunday and then Bath on the Friday was always a game to far .
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

As it stands, we aren't good enough to get any further than the quarters even if we win away next weekend Embarrassed think being dropped down into the second tier tournament this season was a wake up call for us this season, and now to be fighting to even qualify out of group is another slap in the face of where we really are at. Embarrassed

Hate being negative, but we're way off competing in Europe after what I've watched this weekend in the RCC games.
We're good enough to beat any team in this comp in a KO game, especially in the Spring. Our failing is the inability to adapt to arm wrestle conditions and poor weather.
Remember Bath at home in the Champs Cup?


Didn't see that against Toulon tbh. Their pack was full of some of the best pros in the game. Not just in Europe, in the world. Messam, Etzebeth...these are some of the best of the best. Bath are not Toulon. Toulon are on a huge run of success since we last played them.

We can beat most teams, we can even sneak past Toulon, but reality is we've been massively up and down and inconsistent from one game to the next this season so far. Brad hasn't got the flow of European rugby yet, and won't. What it takes to be consistently good week to week and not lose games you should be winning.

If we play Bristol away, we're underdogs.
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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

I'd like to see the following against LI

15 Halfpenny
14 Conbeer
13 Asquith
12 Steff Hughes (capt)
11 Steff Evans
10 AOB
9 Cawdor
8 Cassiem
7 Jac
6 Shingler
5 Tex
4 Ball
3 Samson
2 Ken
1 Wyn
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16 Ryan
17 Rob
18 Kruger
19 Lousi
20 Rawlins
21 Hardy
22 Dan
23 Baldwin

It won't happen as Mooar will have to start Parkes and McNicholl to keep Pivac, happy, although on form they hardly deserve to be included even in the 23.

Like the look of that team Ffidel. Morgan replacing Josh is a good call. Josh needs a good rest and work on his technique. Much will depend on fitness particularly Fonotia (who we have missed recently) & Blade. If fit I would have Blade on the bench instead of Rawlins. McNichol & Parkes do not deserve selection on current form. I am mystified what has happened to Baldwin - he is not down as injured. He gets his first start at centre against Bayonne, does well & then disappears. 
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Originally posted by miaow miaow wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Why do we continue to not select our two quickest centres available - Baldwin & Asquith? 


I would assume there are question marks over Asquith's consistency/discipline over 80 minutes, and how strong he is. Great footballer but he doesn't look like the most solid option to start against the best teams. Tbh not sure we've had that since Scott left unfortunately, though.
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Don't disagree with you on Asquith's overall  80 minute game but he is quicker than Steff who, on form, is our natural 12. Also Asquith makes things happen in attack with good kicking and superb offloading ability. Of course neither are Scott but sadly he is not available. It is pretty clear to all of us that our options at 12 should be Steff, Asquith or Hadleigh & at 13 Fonotia, Baldwin or Asquith but Brad for some reason doesn't agree. 

We have no option on Saturday but to go looking for a bonus point win so it must for me be Baldwin or Asquith at 13 assuming Fonotia not fit. 
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Hughes on the bench, with Parkes and Asquith centre combo. Cassiem and Tex have to start. Macleod has been one of the best 7’s in the league all season a couple games off form isn’t enough to drop him in my opinion. 
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Castres win Pool 1 with 23pts, Dragons second with 20 pts.

Leicester must now beat Pau to secure a home QF, hopefully that will benefit us. 


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Pau need a BP win to claim a QF spot. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Huwbach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2020 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Pau need a BP win to claim a QF spot. 

So if we win we are through? If Pau don’t win? 
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Tigers resting or benching some key players unfortunately. Hopefully those player's they pick who are normally 2nd choice will go out to prove their worth and Pau will underestimate them.

15 George Worth

14 Adam Thompstone

13 Manu Tuilagi (c)

12 Noel Reid

11 Rory Hughes

10 Tom Hardwick

9 Harry Simmons

1 Facundo Gigena

2 Tatafu Polota-Nau

3 Joe Heyes

4 Joe Batley

5 Will Spencer

6 Harry Wells

7 Ifereimi Boladau

8 Sione Kalamafoni

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16 Jake Kerr

17 Greg Bateman

18 Dan Cole

19 Sam Lewis

20 Jordan Taufua

21 Ben White

22 Sam Costelow

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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Castres win Pool 1 with 23pts, Dragons second with 20 pts.

Leicester must now beat Pau to secure a home QF, hopefully that will benefit us. 
Leicester only need 1 point to secure home QF to my understanding?
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Originally posted by Huwbach Huwbach wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Pau need a BP win to claim a QF spot. 

So if we win we are through? If Pau don’t win? 

We need a BP win and for Pau to lose. Pau can't win their group but could still claim a QF spot, but need a BP win to be sure. 
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 If Pau lose? and Blues 18pts 3 wins and us 18pts 4 wins ,do we go through .
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No idea on the 18pts head to head, but I'd say it's 70:30 against us qualifying at the moment. The Blues are at the mercy of us having an extra point. Edinburgh will likely clean up or at least reach 20 points, leaving it a shootout in Pool 5 between Pau and Leicester, and less likely, the Blues. It's not out of the question that we qualify and Pau lose with us getting a bonus point win, but any other results and we're struggling.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote minded Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2020 at 11:32pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

 If Pau lose? and Blues 18pts 3 wins and us 18pts 4 wins ,do we go through .
Does it come down to points difference in the first instance? They might rack up a cricket score tomorrow.
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(c) If ranking remains unresolved and/or if clubs have not played each other previously in the pool stage, qualification/ranking will be determined as follows:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended under Disciplinary Rules in the pool stage; or
(iv) if unresolved, by drawing lots.
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