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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I've heard Nick Williams described as many things, 'athletic' wasn't one of them !


I mean in the way that Josh Turnbull has frequently played lock for them and how they regularly play 3 7s in the back row
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

With Rawlins and Price in 2nd row we were top of the league when we had our first team pack available we ended up fifth. I'm not saying they are our best pair of locks but Rawlins especially gets a lot of criticism on here. If all our players gave the same effort as he did we would have topped league.
I agree he bit light weight but he certainly fits the style of play Pivac wants us to play.

That was during the RWC window when most teams had key players unavailable to them. Once the big boys were back our lack of physicality showed.

Athleticism may be one charachteristic of NZ forwards play, but they don't lack in physicality and you will hardly -if ever- see them being beasted.
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Originally posted by ExileTom ExileTom wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I've heard Nick Williams described as many things, 'athletic' wasn't one of them !


I mean in the way that Josh Turnbull has frequently played lock for them and how they regularly play 3 7s in the back row
 
The acquisition of Matthew Morgan seems tied in to that general theory
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We cant afford to fill every slot with an expensive player. We wanted Foxy back, cant see anybody complaining about that, we have Cawdor, Patchell, Scott, Hadleigh, DTH, McNicholl, Sanjay and significantly Cubby.

We have to play to our strengths and we have publicly stated we are aiming to increase our ball in play time.

We could have stacked the budget heavily in favour of big brusing forwards and shoved it up the jumper every game. Not the sort of rugby I want to watch to be honest and would we have wanted to do that at the expense of losing some star backs?

The coaches have set their stall out, we've physically trained according to that plan. Let's just see how it goes shall we before we start writing players off as being lightweight etc. We are not in the English premiership, if we were, we might well struggle. Glasgow and Connacht have shown you can play an expansive game in the PRO12 and be successful at it.

We potentially have the best backline in the league and a world class openside, but before we've even kicked off people are more content to focus on perceived weaknesses.
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Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

We cant afford to fill every slot with an expensive player. We wanted Foxy back, cant see anybody complaining about that, we have Cawdor, Patchell, Scott, Hadleigh, DTH, McNicholl, Sanjay and significantly Cubby.

We have to play to our strengths and we have publicly stated we are aiming to increase our ball in play time.

We could have stacked the budget heavily in favour of big brusing forwards and shoved it up the jumper every game. Not the sort of rugby I want to watch to be honest and would we have wanted to do that at the expense of losing some star backs?

The coaches have set their stall out, we've physically trained according to that plan. Let's just see how it goes shall we before we start writing players off as being lightweight etc. We are not in the English premiership, if we were, we might well struggle. Glasgow and Connacht have shown you can play an expansive game in the PRO12 and be successful at it.

We potentially have the best backline in the league and a world class openside, but before we've even kicked off people are more content to focus on perceived weaknesses.
To me it will be fascinating to see if and how we mitigate against the bigger packs and gain the quick ball we need. It's not impossible and if we pull it off we can really shine.

Watching NZ on Saturday their threat was continuity. When they started to attack their offloading made strength/ size somewhat irrelevant. Everybody in the team needs to be able to do it and everybody needs to be busting a gut to get into position to receive the offload. 

We have line breakers aplenty, but we absolutely have to capitolize on every break.

Defending a big rolling pack is different of course...
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

We cant afford to fill every slot with an expensive player. We wanted Foxy back, cant see anybody complaining about that, we have Cawdor, Patchell, Scott, Hadleigh, DTH, McNicholl, Sanjay and significantly Cubby.

We have to play to our strengths and we have publicly stated we are aiming to increase our ball in play time.

We could have stacked the budget heavily in favour of big brusing forwards and shoved it up the jumper every game. Not the sort of rugby I want to watch to be honest and would we have wanted to do that at the expense of losing some star backs?

The coaches have set their stall out, we've physically trained according to that plan. Let's just see how it goes shall we before we start writing players off as being lightweight etc. We are not in the English premiership, if we were, we might well struggle. Glasgow and Connacht have shown you can play an expansive game in the PRO12 and be successful at it.

We potentially have the best backline in the league and a world class openside, but before we've even kicked off people are more content to focus on perceived weaknesses.
To me it will be fascinating to see if and how we mitigate against the bigger packs and gain the quick ball we need. It's not impossible and if we pull it off we can really shine.

Watching NZ on Saturday their threat was continuity. When they started to attack their offloading made strength/ size somewhat irrelevant. Everybody in the team needs to be able to do it and everybody needs to be busting a gut to get into position to receive the offload. 

We have line breakers aplenty, but we absolutely have to capitolize on every break.

Defending a big rolling pack is different of course...


We should be able to win our lineout ball, we should when Cubby is playing be hot at the breakdown. Granted we dont have the ball carriers that Glasgow and Connacht had but if we do offload we can try avoiding contact for a change and not go to ground after carrying as we have the last couple of years. The WRU have issued some law applications around the maul that suggests refs might be more aware of the illegalities going on there. There's no reason why we cant be smarter around these laws and be better at defending rolling mauls, we'll see.

We do have the welsh front row at the region and Pete didnt give much ground to anyone last year, so we should be ok at scrum. Just get some tidy set piece ball and perhaps we can raise the game to the tempo we want to play at.

The challenge is to constantly bring aggression and attitude at contact. Last year we showed it at times but at the Blues and Glasgow games at home it was missing in action. Where we lack physique in defence we have to out desire the oppposition. It wont be easy, but if we want top 4 we have to collectively want to bust a gut for each other, that's the spirit Connacht showed consistantly all season.

We know we need a couple of ball carriers, hopefully that'll be fixed for next season but for now let's have a crack and express ourselves and play as the Scarlets traditionally always have, and that's with flair and pace.
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Echoes of Lofty there, Tim.

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Japan seemed to manage to win all the scrums in the world cup and against probably the biggest pack in the tournament by simply puttin gthe ball in straight and "hooking" yes "hooking. They also had the best lineout stats in the tournament. But with what we have the expectation should be at least to be able to win our own ball solidly.
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We need some more ball carriers because it gives us more options in different conditions. By all means let's try to play a fast open ball carrying game when we can get quick ball. - then we have some great backs  to play outstanding winning rugby.
However  Cardiff Blues showed last year how easy it was (with a little tolerance from the ref) to slow our ball down, and with quick line speed make life very difficult for our backs, in a game which we lost, and which changed our season. We seemed to try and attack regardless without thinking of changing our tactics or trying to  take advantage of the Blues line-speed and chipping behind them.  We should certainly try to play more of an off-loading game in broken play, but we also need to make better use of set play possession near the opposition line which we don't take advantage of as often as the top teams with big ball-carriers. I think Allen could have done this job for us but at the moment, his all-round game doesn't really justify picking him in the starting line-up. It's a pity that Condy is injured.
Patchell's signing is a big plus for us as he has the intelligence , confidence and skill to try different options and at least when we face the Blues, he will have a fair idea what they are trying to do and know their weaknesses!!
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I think that Patchell could be as influential a signing as any other this year, he has a footballing braIn and an eye for a break and an ability to kick out of hand which with Stevo's coaching can only improve. which will hopefully keep defences in check.
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