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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic
This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

The dangers of OCD in selecting such a talentless cabinet to govern, where the only common denominator is Brexit support, have all come home to roost. The emperor with no clothes as the PM would mean all this makes for great comedy, only, as it’s completely allergic to real life and its challenges.

To have this inflicted on us is very much universal suffering.

Bring on a catalyst for change.

That catalyst for change is with us - this pandemic. So far Keir Starmer has been very professional, in my view, at offering necessary support but also using the complete own goal that is test track & trace to point out this Governments' failings of which there are many - PPE, non closure of borders, TTT & ignoring scientific advice despite continually stating that they were following the science.
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Unfortunately we have a shambolic pool of MP's form all parties and I can’t imagine Corbyn and Abbot doing much better if we are being honest. I work in the civil service and the information within is appalling with a new mask wearing initiative just put out(6 months after COVID started) where the tier process is the opposite scale to the national tier lockdown process just to confuse matters even more. I am fortunate and live in a very low risk area at the moment and I would be a bit miffed if because of other areas inability to follow the rules I/we would get placed into lockdown. The whole thing is appalling with both parties bitching at each other points scoring jockeying for their own ends and ladder climbing.
Europe with a variety of different lockdown measures and severities aren't containing the virus France now locked down 8 cities I believe Paris being one.
There comes a point where I think sod it get back to old normal if you have underlying issues or fall into categories deemed at risk the government will support you stay at home everyone else go about your business, because we will all get it at some point but we will not be able financially do anything about it the way things are going.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

The dangers of OCD in selecting such a talentless cabinet to govern, where the only common denominator is Brexit support, have all come home to roost. The emperor with no clothes as the PM would mean all this makes for great comedy, only, as it’s completely allergic to real life and its challenges.

To have this inflicted on us is very much universal suffering.

Bring on a catalyst for change.


That catalyst for change is with us - this pandemic. So far Keir Starmer has been very professional, in my view, at offering necessary support but also using the complete own goal that is test track & trace to point out this Governments' failings of which there are many - PPE, non closure of borders, TTT & ignoring scientific advice despite continually stating that they were following the science.

Kier hindsight is shocking , look at labour now the Manchester labour mayor refusing to go to lockdown , while starmer is calling for a nation wide lockdown , labour are a joke
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

The dangers of OCD in selecting such a talentless cabinet to govern, where the only common denominator is Brexit support, have all come home to roost. The emperor with no clothes as the PM would mean all this makes for great comedy, only, as it’s completely allergic to real life and its challenges.

To have this inflicted on us is very much universal suffering.

Bring on a catalyst for change.

The political system is not meritocratic, which therefore means it defies logic and often ensures we do have have the best person for the job.  

That report about boris handing how massive overpaid contracts to underperforming private track and trace firms makes my blood boil. Hes trying to serve to masters, the public and the private and hes falling down between the 2 stools. At the very least he should first maximize the public sector facilities and staff and only use the private where necessary imo as its so much more expensive. The amounts being paid privately need to be far tighter regulated. starmer needs to target this too.



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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Isn’t Wales Labour?
yes 

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Isn’t Wales Labour?
yes 

Glad we sorted that out.
That's the Scarlets, its in their DNA.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

The dangers of OCD in selecting such a talentless cabinet to govern, where the only common denominator is Brexit support, have all come home to roost. The emperor with no clothes as the PM would mean all this makes for great comedy, only, as it’s completely allergic to real life and its challenges.

To have this inflicted on us is very much universal suffering.

Bring on a catalyst for change.

The political system is not meritocratic, which therefore means it defies logic and often ensures we do have have the best person for the job.  

That report about boris handing how massive overpaid contracts to underperforming private track and trace firms makes my blood boil. Hes trying to serve to masters, the public and the private and hes falling down between the 2 stools. At the very least he should first maximize the public sector facilities and staff and only use the private where necessary imo as its so much more expensive. The amounts being paid privately need to be far tighter regulated. starmer needs to target this too.


Yeah Boris Johnson and his two stools, one called Dominic and the other Michael. LOL

Just trying to lighten the mood. 
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Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic

This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.

Burnham refusing to go into stage 3 lockdown, Khan asking for London to go from stage 2 to 3 , Starmer calling for national lockdown , Dripford having no idea , all labour all clueless, yet the sheep of Wales keep voting for labour
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic

This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.

Burnham refusing to go into stage 3 lockdown, Khan asking for London to go from stage 2 to 3 , Starmer calling for national lockdown , Dripford having no idea , all labour all clueless, yet the sheep of Wales keep voting for labour

Ive got no respect for either major party. Even now theyre all playing party politics. The strategy in wales has been an absolute joke. The empty scarlets hospital when all infected old folks were sent to care homes underlines this point. Even now in the second wave the scarlets hospital hasnt seen 1 single patient>? madness
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic

This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.

Burnham refusing to go into stage 3 lockdown, Khan asking for London to go from stage 2 to 3 , Starmer calling for national lockdown , Dripford having no idea , all labour all clueless, yet the sheep of Wales keep voting for labour

Ive got no respect for either major party. Even now theyre all playing party politics. The strategy in wales has been an absolute joke. The empty scarlets hospital when all infected old folks were sent to care homes underlines this point. Even now in the second wave the scarlets hospital hasnt seen 1 single patient>? madness
It's an insurance policy in case the hospitals get full to overflowing.
I hope the Scarlets hospital remains empty all winter.
I hope you don't feel the same way about you house insurance, we've got it so may as well burn the house down cos we can claim the money back.
Don't forget, if we start to fill the beds in the barn the staff will have to come other hospitals in the area, meaning less other medical procedures carried out for cancer, heart disease and the like.
Let's keep the barn empty as long as possible.
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In all of the plethora ( I like this word) of Tiers, lockdowns, circuit breakers etc. the missing component for me is the absence of focus on the vulnerable elements of society.

That was much more deliberate and focused first time around.

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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic

This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.

Burnham refusing to go into stage 3 lockdown, Khan asking for London to go from stage 2 to 3 , Starmer calling for national lockdown , Dripford having no idea , all labour all clueless, yet the sheep of Wales keep voting for labour
As opposed to the self serving roaring success that is the tories.
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All this talk of a ‘circuit break’ to buy time seems to me to be a sign of the clear failure of our politicians (of all parties) during this crisis. The whole point of the first lockdown was to buy time to get a properly functioning Test, Trace and Isolate that probably should’ve been sufficient with the current social distancing to keep control of the virus. That we still need time after six months is infuriating. There are some decisions made by all governments that seem especially perplexing - sending students to universities if it wasn’t completely necessary for their courses, instead of giving a bailout to the universities (blaming the students seems ridiculous as no-one could’ve really expected them to stay in their blocks without socialising at all); not giving financial assistance to those required to self isolate at a level close to their wages; not building lab capacity high enough for the inevitable spike in symptoms at the start of September are three of a very long list of failings. Unfortunately because of these failings some very hard decisions will have to be made in the coming days and weeks and many lives and livelihoods will still be lost.
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Get your head around this disgrace
Test and trace consultants cashing in on the pandemic

This is exactly why people like Andy Burnham and other City Mayors have been calling for more local say/ control.  They have all stated that they don’t think that the Track and Trace system is fit for purpose and want to take more control over it locally.  
The great universities that we have spread across the whole of the UK and the pathology labs at our NHS have been readily available from the first day of lockdown in March, they were staffed by people who know what they are doing, and they are local facilities but the Government chose to set up new privately run centres, run by people with little or no experience and at huge cost to the state when that money could have been going straight into fighting COVID on the frontline.
Like has already been stated, it’s typical Tory policy, yet ironically it was the free to use NHS which saved BOJOs life when he needed it the most.

Burnham refusing to go into stage 3 lockdown, Khan asking for London to go from stage 2 to 3 , Starmer calling for national lockdown , Dripford having no idea , all labour all clueless, yet the sheep of Wales keep voting for labour

Ive got no respect for either major party. Even now theyre all playing party politics. The strategy in wales has been an absolute joke. The empty scarlets hospital when all infected old folks were sent to care homes underlines this point. Even now in the second wave the scarlets hospital hasnt seen 1 single patient>? madness
It's an insurance policy in case the hospitals get full to overflowing.
I hope the Scarlets hospital remains empty all winter.
I hope you don't feel the same way about you house insurance, we've got it so may as well burn the house down cos we can claim the money back.
Don't forget, if we start to fill the beds in the barn the staff will have to come other hospitals in the area, meaning less other medical procedures carried out for cancer, heart disease and the like.
Let's keep the barn empty as long as possible.

You missed my point completely, Im saying it should already have been in use months ago....
whether as a quarantine for covid patients or to treat non covid patients. Having 500 empty unused beds for a year is crazy imo The place should be used for a multitude of reasons, to quarantine or to treat minor problems and keep the covid patients at prince philip and other hospitals. The place is surely meant to be used to help treat patients take pressure off nhs staff and reduce the spread of covid. Instead we have seen covid infected oaps sent from hospitals to care homes and its spread like heck. Drakeford and gething need to address these white elephants. The line that its good news weve not used any of our military hospitals is absolute balderdash. Its political double speak. we have a massive pandemic nearly 1000 people a day infected in wales and its good that were not using any of our extra 8000 beds to ease the pressure on staff and reduce the spread ? If were not using them now then when? when it hits 2000 a day?




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