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    Posted: 06 March 2019 at 10:07pm
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Rydym yn gwerthfawrogi ei fod yn amser anodd i gefnogwyr ymysg y dyfalu parhaus yn gyhoeddus
sy’n achosi siom, dicter a dryswch am ddyfodol rygbi rhanbarthol yng Nghymru. Hoffem gynnig
sicrwydd i gefnogwyr y Scarlets bod eu barn a’u pryderon yn cael cynrychiolaeth a gwrandawiad
teg ymysg lefelau uchaf y rhanbarth.

Ers cychwyn Crys 16 ddeuddeg mlynedd yn ôl, rydym wedi datblygu ein perthynas gyda’r
rhanbarth i’r graddau ein bod ni bellach yn meddu ar statws arsylwi ar Fwrdd Cyfarwyddwyr y
Scarlets. Mae hyn wedi bod yn broses sydd wedi ei hadeiladu ar ymddiriedaeth a gonestrwydd ac
mae aelodau’r ymddiriedolaeth eisoes yn ymwybodol o hyn. Mae ein statws heddiw yn cynnig
tryloywder i’r cefnogwyr dros y penderfyniadau a gwnaed gan y rhanbarth a’r cyfeiriad y mae’r
rhanbarth yn ei gymryd. Rydym hefyd yn gallu sicrhau cynrychiolaeth ac ystyriaeth i safbwyntiau’r
cefnogwyr o fewn y penderfyniadau yma.

O ystyried yr uchod, ac er mwyn ymhelaethu ar ein datganiad byr neithiwr, hoffem ddatgan bod
datganiad y PRB ddoe a datganiad y Scarlets heddiw yn hollol gyson gyda chynnwys cyfarfodydd
Bwrdd y Scarlets dros y misoedd diwethaf.
Credwn fod parchu cyfrinachedd y broses yn hollbwysig er mwyn sicrhau bod ymgynghoriadau
gyda’r rhai ag effeithir yn digwydd yn y ffordd gywir ac ar yr amser cywir. Mae digwyddiadau’r
diwrnodau diwethaf wedi cyfleu pa mor drafferthus, niweidiol ac annifyr y gallai fod pan fydd
anghysondebau yn digwydd.

Yn dilyn datganiadau ddoe o amgylch yr uno arfaethedig ac wrth wrando a darllen ymateb ein
cefnogwyr, hoffem bwysleisio nad yw’r effaith ar y cefnogwyr wedi ei hanwybyddu, er mai dim ond
yn ddiweddar y mae hyn wedi dod yn wybodaeth gyhoeddus. Mae sawl un o’r cwestiynau a’r
pryderon sydd wedi dod i’r fei eisoes wedi eu codi gyda’r Scarlets er mwyn sicrhau eu bod yn
ymwybodol ohonynt ac o’r effaith ar gefnogwyr.

Yn ogystal, hoffem gynnig sicrwydd i gefnogwyr tra’r oedd cytundeb cychwynnol mewn lle, y
byddai sawl ymgynghoriad wedi digwydd wrth weithredu’r newidiadau lle byddai barn y cefnogwyr
wedi chwarae rhan sylweddol yn y broses.

Mae ein hanes yn llawn mor bwysig â’n dyfodol ac mae pwysigrwydd diogelu ein treftadaeth wrth
sicrhau bod gennym ddyfodol wedi bod, ac yn parhau i fod, yn ffocws blaenllaw i Crys 16.





We fully appreciate that this is a very difficult time for supporters with ongoing and conflicting
speculation in the public domain causing upset, anger and confusion over the future of regional
rugby in Wales and would like to reassure Scarlets supporters that their views and concerns are
being represented and listened to at the highest levels at the region.

As Crys 16 members will be aware, following the inception of Crys 16 twelve years ago we have,
through honesty and trust, developed our relationship with the region to the point where we now
hold an observer status on the Scarlets Board of Directors, where we are not only able to have
clear transparency over the decisions made by the region and direction the region takes, we are
also able to ensure that the supporters’ views are represented and considered in these decisions.
Bearing in mind the above, and expanding on our brief statement yesterday evening, we would like
to reiterate that the PRB statement released yesterday and the Scarlets statement today are
entirely consistent with the content of the Scarlets Board meetings over the past several months.
We believe that respecting the confidentiality of the process should be paramount to ensuring that
those potentially impacted are consulted in the correct way at the correct time. Events of the past
few days have demonstrated how disruptive, damaging and upsetting it can be when
inconsistencies occur.

Following yesterday’s statements around the proposed merger and listening to and reading our
supporters’ reaction, we would like to reassure Scarlets supporters that whilst the proposed merger
had only recently become public knowledge, the impact on supporters was not overlooked. Many
of the questions posed and concerns raised have been raised with the Scarlets to ensure they are
cognitive of these concerns and the impact on supporters.

We’d also like to reassure supporters that whilst heads of terms were agreed there would have
been several consultations in the implementation of the changes where supporters would have
been comprehensively consulted with.

Our history is as important as our future and the importance of preserving our heritage whilst
ensuring we have a future is what Crys 16 has, and will continue to strive for.
Email info@crys16.cymru with your membership queries!

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Excellent work Crys 16 as ever.
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O bydded i'r hen Sgarlets barhau.

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Da iawn, Crys16 - diolch.
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We’d also like to reassure supporters that whilst heads of terms were agreed there would have
been several consultations in the implementation of the changes where supporters would have
been comprehensively consulted with.

Thanks for the statement, but this part is quite disingenuous IMO. Consulting after the deal is done is more of a PR exercise than anything else; we`ll be playing in black but you can decide on what shade.

And what about players and staff? For consultation read redundancy negotiation.

I appreciate your statement and that of the Scarlets but I want to know what was actually agreed in the Heads of Terms, but accept the chances of that are zero.



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Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

We’d also like to reassure supporters that whilst heads of terms were agreed there would have
been several consultations in the implementation of the changes where supporters would have
been comprehensively consulted with.

Thanks for the statement, but this part is quite disingenuous IMO. Consulting after the deal is done is more of a PR exercise than anything else; we`ll be playing in black but you can decide on what shade.

And what about players and staff? For consultation read redundancy negotiation.

I appreciate your statement and that of the Scarlets but I want to know what was actually agreed in the Heads of Terms, but accept the chances of that are zero.

No its not disingenuous at all.  In fact its the exact process that should and would have happened.  This is what Heads of Terms are for - to get  to an understanding that can be taken back to stakeholders for consultation. And when the consultations had occurred and if the terms were unacceptable then the board would have had to pull out of talks exactly like Mike James did and there would probably have been resignations just like with Mike James.

This is why I think our board had  negotiated a good deal - they put their own positions on the line. Lets give our board the credit they deserve. 


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Yep, bit odd to suggest that a consultation should take place with fans and staff prior to heads of terms being agreed, lets have a consultation on something where we don't even know roughly what it'll look like, cause upset and disruption for everyone and then it may not happen or completely change.
 
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Yes there would have been consultation on what were proposals not definite decisions.
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I hope that people take note of the last 3 posts explaining what a Heads of agreement actually is. Thanks guys.
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Heads of Terms's (HOT's) are normally the end product of extensive negotiations and enshrine the key legal and financial contents of a deal with other points of detail to be worked through over time as often timescales are very tight for such deals to be struck (which seems the case here ). Over the years I have been involved legally in many HOT's being negotiated and I am struggling to think of cases where the HOT's didn't lead to a full deal except where both parties later felt it wasn't going to work ie HOT's are pretty much an agreement to agree! You also make sure the decision takers are in the room!

I cannot comment on what happened with this deal but the reaction of the Ospreys was pretty hysterical and almost as if their representative/s had agreed them but then someone back in the Ospreys then stepped in and spat his/her dummy when the HOT's content was known to them. I think many of us suspect internal conflict at the Ospreys.

Anyway, its finished as far as I am concerned. We need to focus on the rest of the season. I just hope the WRU will quickly agree payment splits so the Scarlets Board can sort out our players for next season and beyond which is far more important.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

I hope that people take note of the last 3 posts explaining what a Heads of agreement actually is. Thanks guys.
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Its concerning it got this far with no open discussion, most of us didnt know until the news actually broke, which contributed to the outrage and disgust. If this was aggreed supporters on both the Ospreys and Scarlets deserve to know why and who. There is alot of contradictory statements being made in particular by the number of Ospreys management new and old, many of which has been picked apart by sceptics, including other users on this forum.
I for one dont know what a HOT is so thanks for those shedding light on it.

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and still no links to the WAG's £12 million north wales offer? dafydd ellis thomas says hes been in contact with the wru but not over the recent regional arguments?
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It would have been subject to consultation and while it probably wouldn't have changed as a result of supporter feedback you certainly never know that + everything was clearly so quickly and sketchy that it would have been silly and not useful to have given info for discussion any earlier than they did. Blimey there would have been an Ospreys/Scarlets merger then a Cardiff/Ospreys merger and then an Ospreys/Scarleta 'merger' all to be discussed. We can see with all the arguments about the potential World League how it can cause problems to release ideas when they are in early stages of discussion &/or one of a number of early-stage options
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