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Not releasing players makes the situation worse. Surely our board, through the PRB, are making the position clear. The situation is dire. Liam, for instance, was on a reported £400K when he came back. Reduce that by 25% due to covid gives £300K 20% of which we meet = £60K. Give me Tom Rogers and Tomi Lewis any day ahead of Liam under the present arrangements. 
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Problem is also we brought in a fair few new zealanders who are good enough for Wales and Scotland etc 
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Its funny that while we know why we need overseas players to backfill the internationals (which is as a result of us being sol good in developing players), when we do so we get scathed on the internet for not developing local boys. Are people that stupid (some of whom are Scarlet supporters) that they dont understand why its needed? Do we think Sale fans say the same when they sign their umpteenth Bok? Doubt it, they see it as a way of winning things
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Originally posted by stradeyscarlet72 stradeyscarlet72 wrote:

It was mentioned recently but didn’t specify who.  Apparently uzair had told his children’s teacher that they were going back to South Africa ?   I hope not as he’s been immense. 
And the guy that posted that writes drivel a lot of the time
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Originally posted by stradeyscarlet72 stradeyscarlet72 wrote:

We have to be careful as rumours are out that we’re apparently losing six/seven players in January.  Also Cassiem is going at the end of the season.  
No we have to be careful not to believe these rumours as most are started to unsettle us. Dan Davis leaving suddenly its 6 or 7. Lets be honest though, we could lose 6 or 7 and not realise it with the squad we have, cant keep them all....
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by stradeyscarlet72 stradeyscarlet72 wrote:

It was mentioned recently but didn’t specify who.  Apparently uzair had told his children’s teacher that they were going back to South Africa ?   I hope not as he’s been immense. 

And the guy that posted that writes drivel a lot of the time

Are you on about me ?
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Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by stradeyscarlet72 stradeyscarlet72 wrote:

It was mentioned recently but didn’t specify who.  Apparently uzair had told his children’s teacher that they were going back to South Africa ?   I hope not as he’s been immense. 

And the guy that posted that writes drivel a lot of the time

Are you on about me ?
Doubt it, it was on Facebook (really shouldnt read it but its like a car crash).
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Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 
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Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 

Osian has just come back from a big knee injury so hopefully we’ll see him soon. 
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Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 


I'd say the other regions are playing the same number of youngsters as us
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Who's out of contract? Are we in a position to bring in NWQs instead?

Fact of the matter is its great to have Welsh internationals signing for us. Fact is, Liam Williams is coming up to 12 months a scarlet player come beginning of the 6N was it? He's played one game for us. 

Depending who's out of contract, ideally we can bring in a NWQ loosehead, NWQ tighthead, NWQ backrower (if Dan Davis and Cassiem are going along with Cubby and Shingler getting on), NWQ scrum half and NWQ centre and back 3.

We need a consistency in the side during internationals and when the internationals return. I think we may see or, or at least I believe we need a shift in recruitment. We will always produce local talent. But we also lose a lot for majority of the season. We need a strong spine to the starting 15 that the youngsters play alongside and learn from and a spine that sees the internationals easily slot in on their return. Will it happen? Doubt it... But I do hope. 
Nigel and the board made an art out of maximising funding from Wales. We have an £8m squad. At least £2m ahead of any other region. If we are to compete at the latter stages of Europe, we need some of the best players in the world, and loaning them out to Wales for 40% of the year while paying 80% of the wages is a decent strategy, albeit it's backfired this year. No one would have foreseen that.

I've no doubt at all that Glenn's methods will soon click and we will remain as the top performing Welsh side for the next season or two at least. 
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Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 

  This season inthe Pro 14,Morgan, Booth and Costelow 20, Conbeer,Rogers, Jac Price and Morgan Jones aged 21 and Blacker 22 have  all had  gametime .

    Looking forward to seeing Knott when fit, Costelow who should have had more action and Dan Davis who as the pace  and footballing ability to cover flanker and wing from the bench . I  hope Dan gets his chance, we cannot afford to lose a home produced player,so young and so talented .
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by Owen111 Owen111 wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a few of the young boys not getting a chance are tempted. When you see all the other regions playing the young lads it doesn’t help us ! 

And the lack of A games 

D Davies and O Knott come to mind. 

  This season inthe Pro 14,Morgan, Booth and Costelow 20, Conbeer,Rogers, Jac Price and Morgan Jones aged 21 and Blacker 22 have  all had  gametime .

    Looking forward to seeing Knott when fit, Costelow who should have had more action and Dan Davis who as the pace  and footballing ability to cover flanker and wing from the bench . I  hope Dan gets his chance, we cannot afford to lose a home produced player,so young and so talented .
Yeah but if you were Dan why would you stay at the Scarlets? If he goes to the Ospreys he’s automatically second choice which technically makes him first choice as Tipuric will be away much of the season. Plus the Scarlets will obviously needs to scale back on their spending which means tough decisions will have to be made.
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Shame to see the lad go, but we know we simply can't retain everyone. The emergence of Jac at a time when Dan was playing his way back to fitness has probably sealed it, plus the O's best option for a 7 right now is Lydiate.
I sense he will go and do very well.

The other consideration is that every region will have to cut their cloth according to their means, and we have a pretty big playing squad.
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Finances do not allow us to keep all our talent & covid means that we cannot give everyone enough opportunity. It is soul destroying for a professional athlete to train all week, live an athletes lifestyle and not get to perform. 

Dan will probably leave and I will blame nobody for that. He will flourish at the Ospreys & will push Jac Morgan all the way for a senior call up. 
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Who's out of contract? Are we in a position to bring in NWQs instead?

Fact of the matter is its great to have Welsh internationals signing for us. Fact is, Liam Williams is coming up to 12 months a scarlet player come beginning of the 6N was it? He's played one game for us. 

Depending who's out of contract, ideally we can bring in a NWQ loosehead, NWQ tighthead, NWQ backrower (if Dan Davis and Cassiem are going along with Cubby and Shingler getting on), NWQ scrum half and NWQ centre and back 3.

We need a consistency in the side during internationals and when the internationals return. I think we may see or, or at least I believe we need a shift in recruitment. We will always produce local talent. But we also lose a lot for majority of the season. We need a strong spine to the starting 15 that the youngsters play alongside and learn from and a spine that sees the internationals easily slot in on their return. Will it happen? Doubt it... But I do hope. 
Nigel and the board made an art out of maximising funding from Wales. We have an £8m squad. At least £2m ahead of any other region. If we are to compete at the latter stages of Europe, we need some of the best players in the world, and loaning them out to Wales for 40% of the year while paying 80% of the wages is a decent strategy, albeit it's backfired this year. No one would have foreseen that.

I've no doubt at all that Glenn's methods will soon click and we will remain as the top performing Welsh side for the next season or two at least. 
It worked to a point but when you are missing your line up plus 2nd choice hooker and 9 it makes it near impossible to compete consistently. 
Its got to a point now where internationals barely play. If the current structure doesn't change we need to start signing quality NWQs. As I mentioed, I'd say another 3 at least. Props, Scrum Half, Centre, back 3.id settle for one prop, 9 and centre though. We are showing this year exactly what we are missing. If the structure does change where we actually get to see the internationals then great. But I can't see it happening anymore and I also see CVC walking away even as I don't think they will manage to crack rugby. Too many hangers on with too much self interest.the game will never grow. 
So if the current structure is here to stay we need a spine of quality NWQs to keep challenging.

Look back to the season we won the league... It was a consistent side week in week out. That's what last year has taken away, this year has taken away, and now probably next year and year after with lions and World Cup coming up again. 

The good thing about the rugby side of the last 2 year is it has shown us exactly where the squad is and where we need to strengthen... We get a prop that's around all year, a quality 9 so the young 9s and 10s can benefit from, a Parkes type 12 to all go along side Lousi and Kalamafoni, we will be in a decent place to slot in youngsters around them and internationals on their return. Jac Morgan showing what can be done alongside the right ones. Morgan Rees with Lousi... We need a few more now imo.
Theres little point strengthening tighthead IMO with WGJ to put us at a weaker point than this year during internationals as Kruger probably won't be here... So Sebastian and OConnor only available tightheads. Madness. 
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