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I assume they want to bring in migrant workers because they are cheaper and more disciplined in working long hours etc because they know they'll be sent home if they fail to keep up. That's all part of "Globalism" which Trump has been arguing against and one of the reasons that a lot of his working class supporters have backed him. It's also one of the reasons so many working class voters backed Brexit. Unless you have specialist skills, the free movement of labour only undermines your wages and conditions of work.
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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

It is my belief ,that up to now all  US presidents are figureheads, allowed to do only that which is acceptable to the Deep State - an unelected group representing the interests not of the people, but of an elite comprising - the military industrial complex, the security services, high finance  the media corporation owners and the Washington elite. In this way Obama may have started out talking of "change", "hope" and "we can do it!!" but very rapidly started serving the interests of the deep state and ended up as a cold warrior bragging of US as the exceptional, indispensable who can ignore international law and is allowed to change any government who will not bow to it  -Libya, Ukraine, Syria etc.   
The deep state received a hell of a shock when despite all its efforts, it's candidate Hillary Clinton was defeated and ever since they have been trying their best to invalidate Trump's election. They won't give up and will put all sorts of pressure on Trump to change his policy of reconciliation with Russia. He is too rich to be bribed but don't expect them to give up and give him a chance, as they have too much to lose. 
What comes next will be very interesting especially as the last president to mount any sort of challenge to the security agencies was JFK a half century ago - and with the reports of his assassination still secret.
  
Just found this amusing take on how Trump will finance what he wants to do -
 
 
 

This sounds like a classic conspiracy theory... you make it sound as if all these disparate groups are plotting together and pulling in the same direction, which I very much doubt.

I don't entirely disagree, though -  there is no question that the 'military-industrial complex' of which you speak is one of the most corrupt industries in existence. You can be more or less certain that whenever the Saudis (for example) buy weapons from any western country - including the UK - a very substantial backhander has found its way into the pockets of some princeling, and that some 'fixer' has also profited greatly.

As for high finance and the media - there is no question whatsoever that these people connive at the system of tax evasion by corporations and wealthy individuals - and let's have names (you tend to speak of anonymous groups) - in this country, nearly all the newspapers are owned by billionaire tax dodgers, who don't even live here: Murdoch (Sky; News International; Times; Sun) - US citizen and non-taxpayer; Barclay brothers (Telegraph group) - own a channel island - pay no taxes: Lord Rothermere (Mail titles and Mail online) - non-dom for tax purposes... and so on.

It's worth pointing out that Osborne's family firm was involved in tax dodging, as was Cameron's dad. I suspect the same is true of most top tories, and no doubt many top labour politicians too, more's the shame. Blair and Mandelson certainly like to turn a fast buck. (A quick perusal of back copies of 'Private Eye' provides a great deal of info on the crooks that run our society).

The problem is that I don't see Trump - who boasted that he was a genius to avoid paying taxes for so many years, and is a fraudster - as being the new broom who will sweep everything clean, somehow!
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aber-fan - agree with most of what you except perhaps - -.
"This sounds like a classic conspiracy theory... you make it sound as if all these disparate groups are plotting together and pulling in the same direction, which I very much doubt."
 These disparate groups don't really have to come together to plot in some secret location, although small groups probably do. It is enough that they have the same interests and all have a great deal to lose if there is a change to US foreign policy and Globalism as an economic policy.
They are all doing their best to de-legitimize Trump's election. Take this nonsense of Russia influencing the election All the US intelligence agencies put together can't come up with a single piece of solid evidence that the Russian govt hacked into any of these e-mails. All they can say is that they would have a motive to have done so as they would have preferred to have a friendly Trump to deal with instead of the war-mongering Hillary Clinton. but a hell of a lot of other people would also have a motive as she was probably the most hated candidate for a long time, despite all the glowing write ups from the corporate media and the invective poured on Trump. 
Any way the Elite- Obama , the security services , and the corporate media have all got together to push the fantasy that Russia won it for Trump, which is amazing really as the corporate media didn't so much as touch the content of the released e-mails let alone make them known to the public.
 
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Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:


I assume they want to bring in migrant workers because they are cheaper and more disciplined in working long hours etc because they know they'll be sent home if they fail to keep up. That's all part of "Globalism" which Trump has been arguing against and one of the reasons that a lot of his working class supporters have backed him. It's also one of the reasons so many working class voters backed Brexit. Unless you have specialist skills, the free movement of labour only undermines your wages and conditions of work.


I think I deduce that what the average US citizen thinks is that in fact the jobs that get re-patriated/created will be high paid un-skilled jobs right?
Might be true in the case of Ford or Boeing....consumer will end up paying of course.

Also how can migrant workers be cheaper ?
They are governed by the same wage policy as a citizen, and could arguably be more expensive when visa processing, relocation, and accommodation costs are thrown in ?

The case I made was because very few of this generation wants to work in the hourly paid, minimum wage, productive category.
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By the the way I'm an avid reader of your posts along with Aberfan and others on this thread. Astute and erudite posting skills with excellent in-sight.

I'm governed by contract about I can openly comment on, but I can make some basic commentary...and it's going to be a very challenging time.

First up Trump is a life long businessman, which translates in my interpretation of him to be just a 'deal-maker'.
His use of things like Twitter is to ' put out there' his opening position on a 'deal' he wants to close...most recently he put out that he would be putting up import duty in to the US up by 5% across the piece...he will / his team will then sit back and gauge reaction, and he will eventually probably fall in to a negotiated solution that would see duty rise but with a basket of caveats.

His targets are generally China and Mexico when he says/tweets these sorts of things...no *trade agreements with China so he doesn't need senate approval to ' go for them' either.

It's not a sophisticated approach, but quite transparent and at least muddies the water.

*Read some stuff on trade agreements on this thread..I'm employed by an American business and export $ 10 digits in to the US every year under a duty free trade deal...no doubt Trump is anti trade, but it's important to point out that Trump cannot renage on trade deals in place, and that he had no influence whatsoever on the erosion of trade deals like TPP...they were dead in the water months ago.

It will be fascinating to see what happens in trade between the US and UK post Brexit...or maybe I should say the US and the EU since the Uk was 60 % of the old EU trade with the US..

I also make his shirts and ties and my boss plays golf with him most weekends...😀



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Hand made by their finest most skilled seamstress, nice touch.
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Wil - I think the first part of one of your sentences sums up the whole situation  - "it will be fascinating to see what happens !!!" It will even be interesting to see if he even makes it to his inauguration, such is the power and vested interest ranged against him.
As I have said many a time, if he only manages to stop the oncoming war with Russia and illegal regime change in general, then I can put up with some of the absurdities that he unthinkingly blurts out, but often later retracts. 
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He's officially the President then !!
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

By the the way I'm an avid reader of your posts along with Aberfan and others on this thread. Astute and erudite posting skills with excellent in-sight.

I'm governed by contract about I can openly comment on, but I can make some basic commentary...and it's going to be a very challenging time.

First up Trump is a life long businessman, which translates in my interpretation of him to be just a 'deal-maker'.
His use of things like Twitter is to ' put out there' his opening position on a 'deal' he wants to close...most recently he put out that he would be putting up import duty in to the US up by 5% across the piece...he will / his team will then sit back and gauge reaction, and he will eventually probably fall in to a negotiated solution that would see duty rise but with a basket of caveats.

His targets are generally China and Mexico when he says/tweets these sorts of things...no *trade agreements with China so he doesn't need senate approval to ' go for them' either.

It's not a sophisticated approach, but quite transparent and at least muddies the water.

*Read some stuff on trade agreements on this thread..I'm employed by an American business and export $ 10 digits in to the US every year under a duty free trade deal...no doubt Trump is anti trade, but it's important to point out that Trump cannot renage on trade deals in place, and that he had no influence whatsoever on the erosion of trade deals like TPP...they were dead in the water months ago.

It will be fascinating to see what happens in trade between the US and UK post Brexit...or maybe I should say the US and the EU since the Uk was 60 % of the old EU trade with the US..

I also make his shirts and ties and my boss plays golf with him most weekends...😀


I think this is very insightful......having done business with the Trump organization, I believe that the non conventional approach was not only successful against a well funded political machine, but very cleverly conceived.

Much of this is a gambit, but time will tell..

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2017 at 1:44pm
More worrying is his 'gambit' of employing Pinocchio as a press secretary to spout obvious lies, and then threaten the press.

It smacks of a totalitarian approach - tell the press you're going to crack down on them, and feed lies to the population at large.
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Can someone explain why his press team are picking such a mega brawl with the press over the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Presidencies are not judged by such things but by results. We'd all have forgotten about it if they hadn't brought it up and it all smacks of an obsession over the size of his pxxxk being his main driving force rather than a burning desire to correct the injustices suffered by the American populace.

Judging by his cabinet choices, this is the government of big business, run by big business for big business.
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Can someone explain why his press team are picking such a mega brawl with the press over the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Presidencies are not judged by such things but by results. We'd all have forgotten about it if they hadn't brought it up and it all smacks of an obsession over the size of his pxxxk being his main driving force rather than a burning desire to correct the injustices suffered by the American populace.

Judging by his cabinet choices, this is the government of big business, run by big business for big business.

Trump is a narcissist and an egomaniac. He cares far more about his 'ratings' than about the American people!
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Can someone explain why his press team are picking such a mega brawl with the press over the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Presidencies are not judged by such things but by results. We'd all have forgotten about it if they hadn't brought it up and it all smacks of an obsession over the size of his pxxxk being his main driving force rather than a burning desire to correct the injustices suffered by the American populace.

Judging by his cabinet choices, this is the government of big business, run by big business for big business.

Trump is a narcissist and an egomaniac. He cares far more about his 'ratings' than about the American people!
couldnt the same be said or nearly all political leaders 
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

Can someone explain why his press team are picking such a mega brawl with the press over the size of the crowd at his inauguration. Presidencies are not judged by such things but by results. We'd all have forgotten about it if they hadn't brought it up and it all smacks of an obsession over the size of his pxxxk being his main driving force rather than a burning desire to correct the injustices suffered by the American populace.

Judging by his cabinet choices, this is the government of big business, run by big business for big business.

Trump is a narcissist and an egomaniac. He cares far more about his 'ratings' than about the American people!
couldnt the same be said or nearly all political leaders 

Trump is way out there on his own in the current political 'family', outside of one-party states like North Korea, or certain African countries where people refuse to go even when they've lost elections! It's a matter of degree - Trump is premier league, most others are Vanarama by comparison.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 January 2017 at 3:49pm
Think you are spot on there.

Massive self publicist, and he just isn't constructed to be able to process media stories he considers distorted.

His vitriole towards CNN has reached biblical proportions this last week.

Ultimately I believe the media will realise that this is his soft spot, and no end of tweeting will serve to quell his rancour when they go for him in this way.


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