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Watching the soap opera which is American politics makes me realise how lucky we are in Britain. Our politicians are certainly not perfect but compared to what is on offer in the USA they are saints. How can it be acceptable to be able to buy your way to a Presidency. Any country that will not appreciate the simple truth that their gun culture costs more lives per annum than terrorism and still do nothing about controlling it deserve everything they get. 
 
Clinton is buying the presidency with corporate money, shes buying all the super delegates too , allegedlyWink....The one fundamental change they need to make is to drastically limit the campaign donations for elections, as they did in Britain. its running to billions and its simply insane. Instead put a seriously tight limit on it, so its harder for politicians to be bought off. Totally agree with you on guns, its insane. they haven't even tightened laws on buying at gun shows, nor even automatic weapons. Obama admits its his biggest regret as president.


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The Presidency comes at a heavy cost to some though. Google a picture of Obama in 2008 and a compare with a picture of today. He has aged 18 years rather than 8. Me thinks welfare reform, gun control etc have taken a heavy toll on him.
 
Is Trump doing it for the money? Lot of speculation about his tax returns etc, his true value. Likes to say he is self funding, but that isn't strictly true.
 
Still a proper nut job though
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

The Presidency comes at a heavy cost to some though. Google a picture of Obama in 2008 and a compare with a picture of today. He has aged 18 years rather than 8. Me thinks welfare reform, gun control etc have taken a heavy toll on him.
 
Is Trump doing it for the money? Lot of speculation about his tax returns etc, his true value. Likes to say he is self funding, but that isn't strictly true.
 
Still a proper nut job though
 
What exactly is Trumps beef with obamacare?
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Another thing about Hillary, she really has it sewn up but she needs to avoid endlessly playing the gender card. Voters are quite aware she is not a man lol. Overplaying the gender card will put people off, women too who have rebelled and the majority have voted Bernie sanders. Obama was never crude enough to say vote me Im a black man lol. She should at least learn that one simple lesson. She simply needs to ride her ticket on her vast experience , on obamacare which I believed she backed from the start and point to her achievements and sidestep the cock ups, benghazi, Iraq invasion, emails and cover ups etc and milk the goodwill of bill and Obama. That should see her through comfortably.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

The Presidency comes at a heavy cost to some though. Google a picture of Obama in 2008 and a compare with a picture of today. He has aged 18 years rather than 8. Me thinks welfare reform, gun control etc have taken a heavy toll on him.
 
Is Trump doing it for the money? Lot of speculation about his tax returns etc, his true value. Likes to say he is self funding, but that isn't strictly true.
 
Still a proper nut job though
 
What exactly is Trumps beef with obamacare?
Tbh Roy, not 100% on that one
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I read the percentage of americans now without health insurance had dropped to a record low of 10.3% in mid 2014 . The drop has to be great news, though 10.3% is still 33 million people. It was 15.7% which was 48 million uninsured in 2011. Insuring 15 million more (mostly poor Americans in 3 years is surely a massive achievement by anyones measurements, other than the GOP?) Though 33 million outside the net is still a massive amount of people. Its a phenomenally complex issue, no doubt theres zillions of ways it can be improved, but to repeal it and throw it all out sounds totally reckless.

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A Trump presidency is now rated as the 6th most dangerous possible World economic event by the Economist:


(Worth pointing out that just above this at no. 5 is a vote for Brexit - which I guess we'll debate in the months to come... I don't want to sidetrack this thread, though.)
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I have visions of Trump being locked in a room in talks with Putin, calling him a Commy Batsard and threatening to set Palin on him.
Putin would probably enjoy that mind.
 
It would, to steal a line from a song, be the end of the world as we know it
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I have visions of Trump being locked in a room in talks with Putin, calling him a Commy Batsard and threatening to set Palin on him.
Putin would probably enjoy that mind.
 
It would, to steal a line from a song, be the end of the world as we know it
LOLLOLLOL  just choked on my toasty reading that LOL
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

I have visions of Trump being locked in a room in talks with Putin, calling him a Commy Batsard and threatening to set Palin on him.
Putin would probably enjoy that mind.
 
It would, to steal a line from a song, be the end of the world as we know it

I'm sure Prime Minister Boris Johnson would tell them to stop being such bloody silly chaps.

When he's finished chatting up their wives. 
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Trump is the only one of the main candidates to say that he's ready to work with Russia and that's one of the main reasons the neo-cons in both Republican and Democratic parties hate him.
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Trump hasn't really declared his hand on a lot of things. but the fact hes not in with corporations is probably whats worrying the GOP
 
 

Tax Reform That Will Make America Great Again

The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan

Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals:

  1. Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
  2. Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
  3. Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
  4. Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

  1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
  2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
  3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
  4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral

The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

  1. Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
  2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
  3. Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.

DETAILS OF DONALD J. TRUMP’S TAX PLAN

America needs a bold, simple and achievable plan based on conservative economic principles. This plan does that with needed tax relief for all Americans, especially the working poor and middle class, pro-growth tax reform for all sizes of businesses, and fiscally responsible steps to ensure this plan does not add to our enormous debt and deficit.

 
The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

  1. Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich, starting by steepening the curve of the Personal Exemption Phaseout and the Pease Limitation on itemized deductions. The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests. These reductions and eliminations will not harm the economy or hurt the middle class. Because the Trump plan introduces a new business income rate within the personal income tax code, they will not harm small businesses either.
  2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate. Since we are making America’s corporate tax rate globally competitive, it is only fair that corporations help make that move fiscally responsible. U.S.-owned corporations have as much as $2.5 trillion in cash sitting overseas. Some companies have been leaving cash overseas as a tax maneuver. Under this plan, they can bring their cash home and put it to work in America while benefitting from the newly-lowered corporate tax rate that is globally competitive and no longer requires parking cash overseas. Other companies have cash overseas for specific business units or activities. They can leave that cash overseas, but they will still have to pay the one-time repatriation fee.
  3. An end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. Corporations will no longer be allowed to defer taxes on income earned abroad, but the foreign tax credit will remain in place because no company should face double taxation.
  4. Reducing or eliminating some corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
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Trumps page on Healthcare reform https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Trumps page on US China reform. He has been banging on about this for decades , of all the things he does rant about this is one that he may be right about. Just look what Chinese steel has done to our industry?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Trumps page on Healthcare reform https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Trumps page on US China reform. He has been banging on about this for decades , of all the things he does rant about this is one that he may be right about. Just look what Chinese steel has done to our industry?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

And this is how he gets votes - even you're being swayed. He plays this card and just provides the things people want to hear that plays on their fears, e.g.:
 "We need smart negotiators who will serve the interests of American workers – not Wall Street insiders that want to move U.S. manufacturing and investment offshore."

I can't quite remember but how did he become a billionaire again? And he's from New York City, isn't he?

Oh. and if you go into the specifics of what he is arguing to do, you read lines such as "We need a president who will not succumb to the financial blackmail of a Communist dictatorship".

The language is very aggressive, paranoid and is basically soap box politics. This site could be a blog by some right-wing activist in truth - I feel dirty having clicked on it! Plus I don't really think America can afford (literally) to take that extreme stance with that language and piss China off considering the debt they are in to them ($1 trillion). That is the sort of thing which starts wars.


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The US has 266% tariffs now on Chinese steel. The Chinese will no doubt bite back.

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Listening to the Radio this morning and one of the Pro Brexit campaigners was doing the usual sell about trade, and the fact it would not be in any way affected if we left. We could make trade agreement decisions easier, faster and only having regard to ourselves. He also mentioned that the biggest problem with the EU is highlighted by the steel issue where, unfortunately, the conflicting interest of member states means that no consensus was achieved regarding the manner in which we could deal with the dumping of steel by China. If we had been outside of Europe, he implied that the steel situation was something that could have been better handled far better.
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