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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

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As we are releasing Boyde the coaches clearly think that we are not short of 7s and with the presence of Cubby,  Davis and MacLeod it is difficult to argue against this. If there are no more leavers, then the obvious positions that need reinforcing are carrying second rows/8 and 10, and none of these positions will be easy to fill with experienced players at reasonable cost especially if we decide to splash out on a superfluous and expensive Thomas Young.

At last some sense on Thomas Young. Dare I speak for you but I am sure we both rate Thomas very highly but surely that is not the point. The relevant point from a Scarlets perspective is, as you have stated, to identify where we need strengthening the most. Surely this is in the front 5 & a carrying 8 to avoid us being continually bullied by the likes of Benetton, Edinburgh, Ulster & Leinster. 
 

Yes, I think Thomas Young is a very good player, but 7 is a position where Wales has no shortage of very good players and mostly already playing in Wales. This is probably due to our national characteristics of being mainly short, tenacious and quick of thought and deed. As you say we are in need of bigger carriers and forwards with the mobility and fitness to arrive quickly at the breakdown and help win quick ball by clearing out those trying to steal or slow down our ball. Then all we need is to persuade Cawdor to shift it out immediately to give our talented backs the best chance of showing
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

As we are releasing Boyde the coaches clearly think that we are not short of 7s and with the presence of Cubby,  Davis and MacLeod it is difficult to argue against this. If there are no more leavers, then the obvious positions that need reinforcing are carrying second rows/8 and 10, and none of these positions will be easy to fill with experienced players at reasonable cost especially if we decide to splash out on a superfluous and expensive Thomas Young.


At last some sense on Thomas Young. Dare I speak for you but I am sure we both rate Thomas very highly but surely that is not the point. The relevant point from a Scarlets perspective is, as you have stated, to identify where we need strengthening the most. Surely this is in the front 5 & a carrying 8 to avoid us being continually bullied by the likes of Benetton, Edinburgh, Ulster & Leinster. 

I’m sorry if I wasn’t talking sense but bearing in mind the injuries to our back row players this year having someone like Young in squad would have been very useful. Going forward he would be a great and needed addition to squad as back row players seem to be injured more than most which is not surprising the way they throw themselves about. A second row of Lousi, Ball with Cummins on the bench should not be bullied as well as a fit Blade playing 8. The obsession with a a huge ball carrying 8 on here is fine but will that fit in with game plan of new coach. We will have to wait and see I guess.

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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

As we are releasing Boyde the coaches clearly think that we are not short of 7s and with the presence of Cubby,  Davis and MacLeod it is difficult to argue against this. If there are no more leavers, then the obvious positions that need reinforcing are carrying second rows/8 and 10, and none of these positions will be easy to fill with experienced players at reasonable cost especially if we decide to splash out on a superfluous and expensive Thomas Young.


At last some sense on Thomas Young. Dare I speak for you but I am sure we both rate Thomas very highly but surely that is not the point. The relevant point from a Scarlets perspective is, as you have stated, to identify where we need strengthening the most. Surely this is in the front 5 & a carrying 8 to avoid us being continually bullied by the likes of Benetton, Edinburgh, Ulster & Leinster. 

I’m sorry if I wasn’t talking sense but bearing in mind the injuries to our back row players this year having someone like Young in squad would have been very useful. Going forward he would be a great and needed addition to squad as back row players seem to be injured more than most which is not surprising the way they throw themselves about. A second row of Lousi, Ball with Cummins on the bench should not be bullied as well as a fit Blade playing 8. The obsession with a a huge ball carrying 8 on here is fine but will that fit in with game plan of new coach. We will have to wait and see I guess.

I certainly wasn't directing my comment specifically to you Why - it was meant to be a general comment. I think we all agree that Young is a fine footballer but we have a limited budget. A 2nd row stock of Louisi, Ball, Cummins, Helps & Rawlins is not good enough in my opinion. We need another 2nd row. With regard to our obsession with a carrying 8 - he doesn't need to be huge - a player in the mould of Quinnell, Morgan or Lyons would fit the bill. Ball & Cummins, lets not forget have been part of our packs this season which have been seriously bullied. Going into games with Boyde playing No 8 aganist Coetzee, Nick Williams or Cronin is rugby suicide.

Blade is a fine player but I worry about his future with regard to head injuries . He is the best no 8 option we have at the moment & I would settle for Aaron, Cubby & Blade playing the majority of games. However the only investment I would consider making in the back row is at 8 if the player became available. 
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agree with you GPR, another 2nd row and a ball carrying 8 and pack is sorted.
backs wise a back 3 player someone maybe with size and power or an out and out flyer. And maybe a player who can play 10/12.
 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Ffidel Bennett Ffidel Bennett wrote:

As we are releasing Boyde the coaches clearly think that we are not short of 7s and with the presence of Cubby,  Davis and MacLeod it is difficult to argue against this. If there are no more leavers, then the obvious positions that need reinforcing are carrying second rows/8 and 10, and none of these positions will be easy to fill with experienced players at reasonable cost especially if we decide to splash out on a superfluous and expensive Thomas Young.


At last some sense on Thomas Young. Dare I speak for you but I am sure we both rate Thomas very highly but surely that is not the point. The relevant point from a Scarlets perspective is, as you have stated, to identify where we need strengthening the most. Surely this is in the front 5 & a carrying 8 to avoid us being continually bullied by the likes of Benetton, Edinburgh, Ulster & Leinster. 

I’m sorry if I wasn’t talking sense but bearing in mind the injuries to our back row players this year having someone like Young in squad would have been very useful. Going forward he would be a great and needed addition to squad as back row players seem to be injured more than most which is not surprising the way they throw themselves about. A second row of Lousi, Ball with Cummins on the bench should not be bullied as well as a fit Blade playing 8. The obsession with a a huge ball carrying 8 on here is fine but will that fit in with game plan of new coach. We will have to wait and see I guess.

I certainly wasn't directing my comment specifically to you Why - it was meant to be a general comment. I think we all agree that Young is a fine footballer but we have a limited budget. A 2nd row stock of Louisi, Ball, Cummins, Helps & Rawlins is not good enough in my opinion. We need another 2nd row. With regard to our obsession with a carrying 8 - he doesn't need to be huge - a player in the mould of Quinnell, Morgan or Lyons would fit the bill. Ball & Cummins, lets not forget have been part of our packs this season which have been seriously bullied. Going into games with Boyde playing No 8 aganist Coetzee, Nick Williams or Cronin is rugby suicide.

Blade is a fine player but I worry about his future with regard to head injuries . He is the best no 8 option we have at the moment & I would settle for Aaron, Cubby & Blade playing the majority of games. However the only investment I would consider making in the back row is at 8 if the player became available. 

If you don't think the Mighty Quinn, or Big Ben Morgan are huge, then your definition of huge is clearly different to mine!LOLLOLLOL

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