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15. Liam Williams (Saracens) (55 Caps)
14. George North (Ospreys) (83 Caps)
13. Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (73 Caps)
12. Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (15 Caps)
11. Josh Adams (Cardiff Blues) (10 Caps)
10. Gareth Anscombe (Ospreys) (26 Caps)
9. Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (41 Caps)
1. Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (28 Caps)
2. Ken Owens (Scarlets) (64 Caps)
3. Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (40 Caps)
4. Adam Beard (Ospreys) (13 Caps)
5. Alun Wyn Jones (C) (Ospreys) (125 Caps)
6. Aaron Wainwright (Dragons) (8 Caps)
7. Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (64 Caps)
8. Ross Moriarty (Dragons) (31 Caps)

Replacements:

16. Elliot Dee (Dragons) (18 Caps)
17. Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (12 Caps)
18. Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (12 Caps)
19. Jake Ball (Scarlets) (32 Caps)
20. Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)
21. Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (7 Caps)
22. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints) (70 Caps)
23. Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (13 Caps)

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Pretty much a full strength XV there really, so good to see Aaron on the bench.
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England starting XV
15 Elliot Daly (Saracens, 30 caps)
14 Ruaridh McConnochie (Bath Rugby, uncapped)
13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 22 caps)
12 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints, 4 caps)
11 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 33 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 55 caps) C
9 Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, uncapped) VC
1 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 9 caps)
2 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 11 caps)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 85 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 58 caps)
5 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 10 caps)
6 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 10 caps)
7 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 9 caps) VC    
8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 41 caps)
 
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16 Jack Singleton (Saracens, uncapped)
17 Joe Marler (Harlequins, 59 caps)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 17 caps)
19 George Kruis (Saracens, 32 caps)
20 Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
21 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 85 caps)
22 Joe Marchant (Harlequins, uncapped)
23 Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 4 caps)
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I'll be honest, the only area I see England having an advantage is the back row..
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Gatland going with 100% first choice 23, while Jones is experimenting with new caps & untried combos. Really not sure what naming Heinz & Underhill as 'vice captains' is about, either. Wacko

First game after lay-off and pre-RWC training will always be tough at Twickers, but a real chance to take victory and keep carrying momentum to Japan - Wales have to see themselves as favourites in the game, and enjoy living with that tag. Front-line injuries are my concern.


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I'll be honest, the only area I see England having an advantage is the back row..

I don't see that personally. Billy, of course, is a brute but our back row is more mobile. If Wales play to their strengths they should win comfortably. A lot will depend on rustiness and who has been match prepared the best. Great to see Aaron on the bench. Hope he gets 20/30 minutes and starts in Cardiff next week. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I'll be honest, the only area I see England having an advantage is the back row..

I don't see that personally. Billy, of course, is a brute but our back row is more mobile. If Wales play to their strengths they should win comfortably. A lot will depend on rustiness and who has been match prepared the best. Great to see Aaron on the bench. Hope he gets 20/30 minutes and starts in Cardiff next week. 


I'll be honest, I haven't seen much of Wainwright but in Curry & Underhill England have 2 very physical players there ala Warburton if you will. I think Aaron will be 30 minutes, possibly with Wainwright moving to 8.
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Please no injuries. Regardless of whether or not it weakens us, it’s just heartbreaking for a player to get so close to the World Cup and not make it.
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From Gatlands comments, barring injuries, this will be close to the side to face England next weekend as he plans to use the Ireland home match (& training) to give fringe players the chance to impress.
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Also Rob & Samson have minor injuries & should be back into consideration over the next couple of weeks.
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Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

Gatland going with 100% first choice 23, while Jones is experimenting with new caps & untried combos. Really not sure what naming Heinz & Underhill as 'vice captains' is about, either. Wacko

First game after lay-off and pre-RWC training will always be tough at Twickers, but a real chance to take victory and keep carrying momentum to Japan - Wales have to see themselves as favourites in the game, and enjoy living with that tag. Front-line injuries are my concern.

Indeed.

Given that Wales have their first-choice side out, whereas England have a few fringe players in the selection, you'd have to call this one for Wales... of course, there's always the risk that the players (at this point in the cycle) have been flogged to death as far as fitness training is concerned, and not done enough on group or individual skills... but I'm hopeful of a win.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Also Rob & Samson have minor injuries & should be back into consideration over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks for that - I wondered if there was a reason why Wyn had been preferred to Rob.
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Tomos Williams picked up a shoulder knock in training today so is set to miss out on the trip to Twickenham with Aled Davies replacing him.
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lets hope aled exceeds expectations, is he the 3rd best 9 in wales?
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

lets hope aled exceeds expectations, is he the 3rd best 9 in wales?

Certainly not in terms of talent - but he is used to the squad and system (so doesn't have to learn all that stuff) and is experienced (so you know what you're getting, more or less).

There are certainly more brilliant younger players 'out there' but Japan has come a bit too soon for them I suppose.


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

I'll be honest, the only area I see England having an advantage is the back row..

I don't see that personally. Billy, of course, is a brute but our back row is more mobile. If Wales play to their strengths they should win comfortably. A lot will depend on rustiness and who has been match prepared the best. Great to see Aaron on the bench. Hope he gets 20/30 minutes and starts in Cardiff next week. 


I'll be honest, I haven't seen much of Wainwright but in Curry & Underhill England have 2 very physical players there ala Warburton if you will. I think Aaron will be 30 minutes, possibly with Wainwright moving to 8.

Curry & Underhill are both very good young players but, in my opinion, Wainwright has more potential. He is explosive and has a huge engine. For me he has a huge future bearing in mind he is still 21. 
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