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Didn't steve thompson get paid out on an insurance policy and then go back playing a few years later?neck i think.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Didn't steve thompson get paid out on an insurance policy and then go back playing a few years later?neck i think.

He retired on medical advice, then he recovered. He then overcame the injury/issue with the neck then the same issue forced a second retirement. Unsure of insurance payout.


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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Didn't steve thompson get paid out on an insurance policy and then go back playing a few years later?neck i think.

He retired on medical advice, then he recovered. He then overcame the injury/issue with the neck then the same issue forced a second retirement. Unsure of insurance payout.
maybe he came back and played without insurance?i know there's something around insurance.
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Former Dragons centre Adam Hughes said "there were times where I suffered concussions & I was always playing a few days later".

There is no doubt work has been done regarding the issue, however whilst this highlights the issue at professional level I still think there is more to be done lower down the structure.
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Here is the 15 point plan laid out by the players:
  1. World Rugby to accept that playing professional rugby can lead to CTE and other neurodegenerative diseases.
  2. Regulated training to be introduced limiting contact to a certain number of sessions a year

  3. Limit the number of substitutes per game

  4. All players’ unions to have greater independence

  5. Zero hour contracts to be abolished by World Rugby

  6. Competent baseline testing each pre-season

  7. Adoption of better sideline testing

  8. Concussions spotters to have authority to remove players showing visible symptoms

  9. Career-long central database chronicling injury history

  10. Remove rugby union’s reliance on various arch-conservative organisations, such as the International Consensus Group on Concussion in Sport (CISG) and the International Concussion & Head Injury Research Foundation (ICHIRF), and select sports science departments

  11. Urgent research to be carried out on front row forwards

  12. Greater education on the issue of concussion

  13. For every three concussions suffered by a player, he or she will receive a full set of medical tests

  14. Remove reliance on the MRI scan to prove brain trauma

  15. Better aftercare

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I think you’re a bit naive if you think playing a contact support like rugby there’s no risk of things like this. 
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

I think you’re a bit naive if you think playing a contact support like rugby there’s no risk of things like this. 
 
this , isn't there some sort of latin phrase in law that means at your own risk?
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Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

I think you’re a bit naive if you think playing a contact support like rugby there’s no risk of things like this. 

As I said, there have been substantial advances in our knowledge and diagnosis of neurological disorders in the last 10-20 years. Plus men are more willing to talk about ill health "these days".

But yes, of course there will be risks in a contact sport - there's no way around this. Nothing wrong in trying to reduce those risks though is there? The 15 guidelines they want discussed aren't seeking to make it a non-contact sport. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote greypower1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2020 at 2:40pm
The authorities can do all they want on monitoring players and their concussions, but unless they are proactive and not reactive they will not improve the "workplace".
Unless they do something to address the breakdown area where some of the clear outs are frankly life threatening for example when  a small player attempting to jackle is cleared out by a 20 stone muscle bound front row forward, then you are accepting that the worse can happen.  You could not get away with that type of workplace safety in any other business.
Too many "fresh" substitutes is another problem that is easily solved, no tactical subs, only genuine injury replacements, monitored by independent doctors.


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Would introducing a maximum weight limit for players help ?


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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Would introducing a maximum weight limit for players help ?



I don't know, thats the beauty of rugby isn't it, it was a sport for all sizes & abilities.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Would introducing a maximum weight limit for players help ?



I don't know, thats the beauty of rugby isn't it, it was a sport for all sizes & abilities.

I agree entirely, perhaps those days are numbered ????
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Would introducing a maximum weight limit for players help ?



I don't know, thats the beauty of rugby isn't it, it was a sport for all sizes & abilities.

I agree entirely, perhaps those days are numbered ????

You may be right.... I don't know what the answer is but I am noticing even at the (very low) level I play at, there are more concussion instances.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jones2004 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 December 2020 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Would introducing a maximum weight limit for players help ?
I don't know, thats the beauty of rugby isn't it, it was a sport for all sizes & abilities.
I agree entirely, perhaps those days are numbered ????
You may be right.... I don't know what the answer is but I am noticing even at the (very low) level I play at, there are more concussion instances.
Just a question - do you believe that it is more concussion incidents or that more incidents are being picked up as concussions where previously it would’ve been just a ‘slight knock to the head, nothing to worry about’?  Of course one would be a positive while the other would be a worry.
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

I think you’re a bit naive if you think playing a contact support like rugby there’s no risk of things like this. 
this , isn't there some sort of latin phrase in law that means at your own risk?
Of course rugby players will probably always have a higher rate of early dementia and related illnesses than the average person but the figures for the early professionals are truly staggering. If the rate of brain injuries can be reduced without changing the game massively, then why shouldn’t World Rugby try it?


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More head gear? perhaps we will end up with helmets?
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