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Mrfwon
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KID A
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It's been discussed at length in the other thread. Referees met with IRB after pool stages to discuss why yellows were incorrectly given. |
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Mrfwon
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Were any of those players subsequently cited, regardless of whether the yellows were incorrectly given or not?
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KID A
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I don't believe so. But you're right in focusing your attention to the incorrectly given yellows rather than the correctly given red card. ;) |
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You mean this one ? Cited & Banned ! http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/09/2152/dominiko-waqaniburotu-suspension-upheld-for-tackle-on-pat-lambie http://www.walesonline.co.uk/rugbynation/other-rugby-world-cup-news/2011/09/20/fiji-forward-dominiko-waqaniburotu-suspended-for-wales-game-over-dangerous-tackle-91466-29453301/ |
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Albert
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Pretty good post. But I just think that had Alain Rolland not given a red card, after the IRB had just re-iterated that this exact offence was RED and nothing else. His position as an international referee would have become untenable.[/QUOTE] Really? How do you come to that extreme conclusion?
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KID A
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This is about the 6th time I've posted this: Because his boss expressely told all referees 2 weeks before that any tip tackles were red. And nothing else. |
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Albert
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Please try to answer the question.
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KID A
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Paddy O'Brien would have been furios had Rolland not given red. Who knows if he would have not reffed internationally again, but why on earth risk it by not following direct orders? |
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A Evans
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As posted elsewhere by me, this is my take on the whole issue now.
Every tackle from now on like Sam's should be met with a red. If it is missed by the ref then a player should be cited and then banned, if not then then it makes a mockery of the 'law'. If a ref sees the incident and does not act on it by giving a red then they should be hauled in front of the IRB. Mr Rolland has now set the tone (correctly according to the rules, daft bloody rule in my eyes) so i now expect every incident to be treated in the same manner. |
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KID A
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Trouble is, if a red is not shown, they will probably try and claim it falls into bracket 3) below:
1- The player is lifted and then forced or ‘speared’ into the ground (red card offence) 2- The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the player’s safety (red card offence) 3- For all other types of dangerous lifting tackles a yellow card or penalty may be considered sufficient Very difficult when you only get one fast view of it, to determine which one of those 3 it comes under. |
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scarlet_rob
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Maybe it would be better if players wore belts with tags on. Grab a tag off the belt instead of tackling. No one gets hurt then.
KidA, a bit over dramatic with the untenable bit, if he'd given a yellow there would be no issue and nobody would be talking about it now. That's because it would have been the right decision.
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Albert
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Beg to differ.
Possibly O'Brien might have got into a Paddy but you can't seriously think that Rolland would never have refereed another international if he had handed out a yellow!!
Big risk for Rolland not to have given a red was it? Come on. More like it that he had a rush of blood and made a hasty decision which, I hope, he will repent at leisure.
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KID A
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I agree in that the law is wrong. But you only need to read the story Scarletman has posted about a referee officiating at Newport to see that Rolland had little choice. I don't like Rolland. He's egotistical and wants to be top of the class. But I don't think he had a rush of blood. I think he gave a red because that's what Paddy O'Brien has been banging on about for the last 2 years, and specifically the last 4 weeks. |
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it is NOT an automatic red card. warburton handled the player so well the ball wasnt even dropped. the tackled player also grabbed warburton round the neck and used his neck to swivel his own body in a different direction. clerc was put to the ground as safely as was physically possible by warburton. so safe he wasnt hurt and he didnt even drop the ball and the french players didnt even bother going to check if he was ok, they were more concerned with throwing punches and pressurising the ref into making the worst refereeing decision in the history of rugby
all the other spear tip tackles that didnt get red cards saw players drop players on their heads letting them go in mid air ir driving them neck first into the ground with recklessness and in some cases intent. the player dropped the ball and the referee followed the ball and was therefore distracted from the tip tackle itself. in this case the focus stayed on the tackler as the ball didnt get dropped elsewhere. its NOT as black and white as norling or anyone else suggests otherwise every player would get red carded and the directive wouldnt have 100s of words it would simParc y Scarletstate in all cases a tip tackle is a red card.
norling was a mostly poor referee and is not a liked man. he loves the centre of attention and loves the sound of his own voice. his opinions are governed by egotism and self interest in the amateur quango that is rugby referees
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