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Gate12
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Oh and if we're worrying about the minnows of world rugby then maybe uncle roger and his equals should consider playing them in friendlies now and again whilst resting a few top players.
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SMELLYMIKE
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Well you are perpetuating the debate....Emotion and memory are ok as long as you dont lose focus of the here and now....and the lions were a great instituation , but lets put their memory to history and concentrate on the scarlets for the future ...we dont need any other distractions that reduce our chances by removing our best players from us
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did beale drop the ball forward during their try?
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ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)
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Gate12
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Some people don't think it's right to put that great institution to the grave though, IMO players as well as supporters need variety and it's all about getting the balance right, the lions allows players and supporters the opportunity for something a bit different, its allows players the chance to play alongside some of the best that they may never have played with if it wasn't for the lions, it breaks up the seasons away from club, international, club, intentional, it allows the tri nations teams and clubs within their nations to play against the best of britain and it differentiates rugby from other sports. Supporters get the chance to mingle with like minded fans they rarely get to meet, travel the world and enjoy rugby in a different way to how they usually enjoy it, its a reminder why we love the sport for me and something I hope never disappears. I'm pretty sure every international in britain wants to go on the lions for better reasons than the p155 ups when they retire. |
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Great post Gate12.
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Mrfwon
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Great drop attempt by Rhys at the end of the first half!
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Scarlets!!!
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SMELLYMIKE
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s.pimpernel
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Well I suppose it makes a change to you lobbing in a few digs at Team Wales in various threads about the Scarlets . Anywho, I stand by what I said. Watching Wales last week and yesterday morning, I had the same empty feeling after the games as I have watching the Scarlets over the last couple of years; huge amounts of "could have/should have", winning good ground on a penalty only to lose the advantage by not throwing in straight at the line out, making 50-60m breaks up field only to then concede a penalty by holding on, aimlessly kicking the ball away, and poor decision making at critical times. These are the events leading to the Aussie try, that ultimately won them the game 62mis - Halfpenny kicks penalty that puts Wales 16-12 up. 62.46 - Aussies restart and ball is caught by AWJ. The ball gets back to Priestland who, instead of kicking for touch, kicks an up and under in field. The kick is too long, is caught by Genia, who proceeds to counter attack. 63.23 - Bradley and Foxy get defence line totally wrong leaving a huge gap for Barnes to practically walk through. Aussies get in Welsh 25 but knock on. 63.48 - We have an advantage because of the knock on. So do we take the sting out of the attack, slow the game down and go for the scrum, where we have been dominant all afternoon? DO WE F**K. The ball is passed back to Halfpenny who kicks downfield. The ball misses touch and is to long to be chased. It`s caught by Barnes who (again) counter attacks. 64.48 - Barnes counter attack leads to the Aussies going through 8 phases of play before they score a try in the corner. IMHO, those missed kicks to touch by Priestland and Halfpenny (who should never even have kicked because we should have taken the scrum) are inexcusable. This is the biggest difference for me between northern and Southern hemispheres; the lack of rugby intelligence on the field. Look back at the Scarlets v Munster games in April. The first 5 mins of the game when we should be holding onto possession, Priestland it away with two kicks that offer nothing except for giving them the ball (this is not an anti Priestland post but as OH he is under the spotlight). We can go back to the Brive game where we get a kickable penalty with a few minutes to go and we are a point behind, yet we decide to run the advantage and lose the ball. We now have some great athletes in Wales that CAN compete with the Southern Hemisphere. For the Scarlets boys who have been on the tour, I think the experience will have been hugely beneficial to their development which in turn should bring huge positives to the Scarlets next season. But unless this rugby intelligence issue is sorted out then neither side are going to reach their full potential IMO.
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s.pimpernel
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Wales Schedule 2012
Start of 6 Nations - 05/02/12 End of 6 Nations - 17/03/12 11 week break Start of Summer tour (& Babas game) - 02/06/12 End of Summer tour - 23/06/12 19 week break Start of Autumn Internationals - 10/11/12 End of Autumn Internationals - 01/12/12 8 week break Start of 6 Nations 2013 - 02/02/13 Aussie Schedule Start of Summer Internationals - 05/06/12 End of Summer Internationals - 23/06/12 8 week break Start of Rugby Championship - 18/08/12 End of Rugby Championship - 06/10/12 2 week break Bledisloe Cup game against Kiwis 20/10/12 4 week break Start of Autumn Tour - 17/11/12 End of Autumn Tour - 01/12/12 Wales Internationals - 12 (not including games v BaBas and Brumbies) Aussie Internationals - 14
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Team Wales has gone from giving many teams a head start, then playing glorious stuff only to end up gallant losers.
Now, we've moved on. We can beat anyone and tend not to give them a head start, 1st Aussies test excepted perhaps. The team are used to being able to match anyone and that has happened due to a change in mental strength. We now need another move on the thinking side of things, to close out the matches & take right options as the clock ticks down. The players will have felt emotional troughs that they will not want to revisit. I hope they use it as a spur to make that next step up to beat those SH teams. That and a bit of work on the error rate & ill discipline......... |
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SMELLYMIKE
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GOT TO DISSAGREE.....Ithink prople forget how far welsh rugby had fallen prior to regionalism....gatland has now taken the welsh side to a level i never thought was cpossible.....you forget that the aussies are tri nation champions....they dont sit still either.....so yes it says 3-0 in wins ..but people then need to read more about the facts of the game ..and lets not forget the influence of a homer reffing the game
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Quite easy to justify really and not hypocritical at all, the Lions tour is once every four years and in the summer (when Wales would tour anyway) and is a fixture full of history, meaning and means a huge amount to the players, there's a big difference between that and cramming in fixtures a week before some of the biggest games of the regions seasons and pulling out players of regional rugby weeks before internationals so they miss league fixtures, realistically teams will miss between a grand total of about 0-5 players for a Lions tour whereas they'll miss around 7-10 players for a Welsh fixtures which also clash with u20's, 7's etc. There's also the element of playing players through injuries, a WC and 6 nations I can accept as long as the long term damage isn't significant but for autumn internationals and summer tours it's taking the p1ss.
Comparisons between the impact of a Lions tour on us or any other region compared to the demands of the team Wales is pretty ridiculous.
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Gate12
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Doesn't make a change at all, we both do it regularly
Regarding the rest of it I sort of agree, teams will always make mistakes but they need to recover from them, I've seen Leinster make loads of mistakes in big games but after a mistake they'll reset, organise themselves and rectify that mistake, Wales generally back it up with another mistake.
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Point well made, I assume your point was the 6 month gap where their clubs play all of their important fixtures without international interference and have a decent rest too?
I think you can count the baabaa's games in the Wales count, they are capped games after all.
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SMELLYMIKE
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But back to the Lions question ....still cant see the point myself , watched the last series but still cant get excited about it .....as i said yesterday , hopefully we will not have any players involved ...a nice summer off and a good preseason for the guys ...Its what the layers need and the supporters deserve
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