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Originally posted by John John wrote:

They've been called up to sit on the bench this midweek game. The inference is that they won't get on unless there is an injury. And if they don't get on, they're not Lions. This is to enable the test 23 to not be involved midweek and to prepare for the test without distractions.

Thus far it makes sense but the Hill over Gray selection is inexplainable.



You'd call Gray up to sit on the bench and be part of the camp for a week?
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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

4 of our squad called up - Cory Hill, Gareth Davies, Kristian Dacey and Tomas Francis (who can't even get a start for Exeter) - disgraceful decision which will no doubt have an impact on morale.


Agree totally - no defence for such a decision. I would imagine other home nations will be seething. I'm sure that will fire them up when they play Wales next. I don't buy this time zone thing - if it was always the plan to bring players in then manage the process. Hanson found out and he has driven a wedge - so if he knew then Gatland could have known early enough to take account. It strikes of nepotism. The legacy of Lions tours has been bringing nations together. He has failed and unfortunately the 2017 lions may too! The standard of Lions rugby is poor from a spectator point of view. The games they have won have been opposition dropping off - like today. The All Black won’t !

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But Gray would potentially be replacing an injured Lawes as is Russell the rest are ......... not
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Is Lawes out of the tour?
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Originally posted by pêl rygbi pêl rygbi wrote:

Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

4 of our squad called up - Cory Hill, Gareth Davies, Kristian Dacey and Tomas Francis (who can't even get a start for Exeter) - disgraceful decision which will no doubt have an impact on morale.

Disagree about today a combined nations forward grunt ground out a win today.Where it goes wrong in the backs is the delay in presenting the ball from rolling mauls etc. They release the ball after they have stopped moving allowing the defence to form as opposed to unleashing Teo onto a defence on the backfoot. We teacher that to our under13's and they get it. Sums up Gatland and Howley

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<p ="Msonormal">Agree totally - no defence for such a decision. I would
imagine other home nations will be seething. I'm sure that will fire them up
when they play Wales next. I don't buy this time zone thing - if it was always
the plan to bring players in then manage the process. Hanson found out and he
has driven a wedge - so if he knew then Gatland could have known early enough
to take account. It strikes of nepotism. The legacy of Lions tours has been
bringing nations together. He has failed and unfortunately the 2017 lions may
too! The standard of Lions rugby is poor from a spectator point of view. The
games they have won have been opposition dropping off - like today. The All
Black won’t !



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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Is Lawes out of the tour?

Hope not still on HIA protocol I think
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

They've been called up to sit on the bench this midweek game. The inference is that they won't get on unless there is an injury. And if they don't get on, they're not Lions. This is to enable the test 23 to not be involved midweek and to prepare for the test without distractions.

Thus far it makes sense but the Hill over Gray selection is inexplainable.



You'd call Gray up to sit on the bench and be part of the camp for a week?


If one of the starting locks gets a bang on the nut in the first five minutes and fails the HIA, I'd rather have Gray playing 75 minutes than Hill. Furthermore ( a less immediate point) I expect Gray to be a major part of the next Lions squad- I'm not so sure about Hill in that respect. So in 6 years time, it wouldn't have devalued the Lions.
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But if say 2 or maybe one lock gets injured Hill will no doubt stay there- only a 7 day stint if every one else stays fit.
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Gats will call up more players soon. He's just waiting until after the first test to assss who.
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I don't agree with Hill selection because Lsunchberty and Grey proven intl quality and very good players. Hill though has never let Wales down and must be feeling like poo with all abuse he and others getting. It's not there fault and they hardly going to say no.
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

I don't agree with Hill selection because Lsunchberty and Grey proven intl quality and very good players. Hill though has never let Wales down and must be feeling like poo with all abuse he and others getting. It's not there fault and they hardly going to say no.

He plays for Newport so should be used to itWink
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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

But if say 2 or maybe one lock gets injured Hill will no doubt stay there- only a 7 day stint if every one else stays fit.


I suppose Hill could stay, but I'm not sure, but why wouldn't Gats call up one of the Grays too if a 2nd row is injured?
All rows are still on tour right now.
No way on Gods green earth is Hill going to start a game for the Lions.

Also Scotland still have Fiji this coming weekend...If I was Townsend I would block a drain of his starting players to be in NZ for a week...he had obviously decided he was going to play another 10 this weekend before releasing Russell.

My take on this is that I am 99% sure Francis, Gareth and Russell will get on for the last 15-20 mins...so triggering notable payments to their union...Dacey, Allen and Hill will only see game time if someone is injured.

The plan is to release all 6 after next weekend...however I am also sure Gats will take stock of the total squad after that 1st test and adjust his call ups accordingly. All home Nations will have finished the summer tours too.
I think this is why he hasn't yet replaced Hogg and Moriarty, he's just waiting to see how the next 2 games go.




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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

They've been called up to sit on the bench this midweek game. The inference is that they won't get on unless there is an injury. And if they don't get on, they're not Lions. This is to enable the test 23 to not be involved midweek and to prepare for the test without distractions.

Thus far it makes sense but the Hill over Gray selection is inexplainable.



You'd call Gray up to sit on the bench and be part of the camp for a week?

Why not Wil. Are you really advocating that Gatlands decision makes sense? What will happen if Lawes breaks down & one of the top 3 locks gets injured? Gatland will then, if my understanding of your rationale is correct, call up Launchbury or Grey & send Corey Hill home. Surely you do not select a Lion based on being bench fodder. Gatland has done the Lions brand a great disservice. He could have called up Launchbury immediately after the Argentina 1st test as he will have known his plans. 
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

But if say 2 or maybe one lock gets injured Hill will no doubt stay there- only a 7 day stint if every one else stays fit.


I suppose Hill could stay, but I'm not sure, but why wouldn't Gats call up one of the Grays too if a 2nd row is injured?
All rows are still on tour right now.
No way on Gods green earth is Hill going to start a game for the Lions.

Also Scotland still have Fiji this coming weekend...If I was Townsend I would block a drain of his starting players to be in NZ for a week...he had obviously decided he was going to play another 10 this weekend before releasing Russell.

My take on this is that I am 99% sure Francis, Gareth and Russell will get on for the last 15-20 mins...so triggering notable payments to their union...Dacey, Allen and Hill will only see game time if someone is injured.

The plan is to release all 6 after next weekend...however I am also sure Gats will take stock of the total squad after that 1st test and adjust his call ups accordingly. All home Nations will have finished the summer tours too.
I think this is why he hasn't yet replaced Hogg and Moriarty, he's just waiting to see how the next 2 games go.


Hill and Dacey on the bench to face Chiefs.
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I thought the 6 call ups are there for more than a week as they will cover the midweek game on the 27th as well.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

They've been called up to sit on the bench this midweek game. The inference is that they won't get on unless there is an injury. And if they don't get on, they're not Lions. This is to enable the test 23 to not be involved midweek and to prepare for the test without distractions.

Thus far it makes sense but the Hill over Gray selection is inexplainable.



You'd call Gray up to sit on the bench and be part of the camp for a week?


Why not Wil. Are you really advocating that Gatlands decision makes sense? What will happen if Lawes breaks down & one of the top 3 locks gets injured? Gatland will then, if my understanding of your rationale is correct, call up Launchbury or Grey & send Corey Hill home. Surely you do not select a Lion based on being bench fodder. Gatland has done the Lions brand a great disservice. He could have called up Launchbury immediately after the Argentina 1st test as he will have known his plans. 


Dacey, Allen and Hill are nothing but bench fodder, and for one game,surely they haven't been called up based on any merit?

Also if I was Townsend or Eddie Jones, and Gats asked for a few players from their squads for a week, whilst they also had an international fixture coming up this weekend, I think I would politely tell him where to go.

It's a real concern that Wales have released 4 players that started last weekend, ok maybe Dacey and Hill wouldn't have started this weekend, but releasing Gareth and Francis means rookie starters at 3 and 9, add that to Cuthy going home, and the squad looks very light on experience, with Samoa a better team than Tonga.

Regarding call ups...its interesting how he hasn't called anyone up to replace Hogg and Moriarty.
Does he have a plan...of course he has. (See my post above for my opinion)
That doesn't mean I agree with it of course. But I can distinguish between the dialogue around de-valuing the shirt, and having a game plan.


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