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BlackwoodScarlet
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An article from the pro EU far left Huffington post , that paper is a joke |
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SospanMawr
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The way I see it the following are options 1) We carry on with the current course, and really damage ourselves as a country and likely lead to an Independence Wales (which I support). If we did so I think we’d reapply for EU membership in the next 10 years, and would likely have to give up the £ to get readmitted. 2) We hold a second referendum, not based on the deal. This is unlikely to happen and will create a lot of angst/annoyance amongst the Leave society. There’s no guarantee that the lies, cheating and racism that permeated the last referendum wouldn’t again occur. 3) We hold a people’s vote, on the specific deal offered to us, with all the information available to us. If we vote no, we can continue trying to leave the EU, hopefully with more competent negotiation and organisation. If we vote yes, we leave. 4) We ignore the result of the referendum, as it was advisory and potentially void due to the law being broken by Leave and the numerous lies on both sides. This would be disastrous for trust in the politicians of this country. Personally I’d choose 3. |
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GPR - Rochester
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An emminently sensible suggestion Sospan - far too sensible for it to ever happen.
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Dafen Boy
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Labour party silence is a puzzler, perhaps want to wait if Johnson can make the Tories self destruct?
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dr_martinov
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It would be good for Labour but for their own current issues with claims of antisemitism makes it hard for them to be too vocal. However, the media, maybe Guardian excluded, have run an exceptionally strong anti-Corbyn campaign the whole time and we all know what sort of power they wield in this allegedly free-thinking society.
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Ffidel Bennett
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The Guardian has been just as unjustifiably anti-Corbyn as any right-wing rag. This relentless anti-Semitic nonsense is just any old bit of negative publicity which if repeated often enough will begin to register in the "brains" of the unthinking. Corbyn is the last person anyone should try to label as racist, but the right wing media along with ambitious Blairite labour mp s are so desperate to return to their "normal" anti-socialist ways that they will try anything.
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ladram
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mud sticks though,fed up of hearing the word Brexit.
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roy munster
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The word racist is thrown around far too easily by all sides. Instead of actually debating theses complex matters , they nearly all choose the cheap option and label their opponents racist just to shut down any debate or even conversation. Surely to actually wrongfully label someone racist is in itself slander and should be treated as such.
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dr_martinov
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I do agree Roy, as ever the reaction and counter-reaction to that reaction then goes a bit OTT but there are so many of these at present reported by the media it has devalued the impact. The other side of the story is people with prejudice now hide behind "political correctness gone mad", "overreaction", "witch hunt" and so on to defend themselves. It was a silly joke but Boris isn't a professional comedian, despite his best efforts, and I suppose it has stirred up a bit of conversation around the issue although his personality is yet again dominating the stories (as well he knows - you always wonder about this motive with him).
One of the ironies about this is the British Asian vote is something the Tories could certainly target as it is often leaning conservative (small "c") with a strong emphasis on tradition, community, family and religion.
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GPR - Rochester
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Whether Corbyn is or is not a racist is up for debate Ffidel; what is not up for debate is his very poor handling of the whole messy affair. At a time when the tories are there for the taking he has allowed this issue to fester along and take away any momentum his party had - in politics that is unforgivable & will probably cost him his chance at forming a government.
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Ffidel Bennett
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Only the rants of Zionist supporters of the brutal Israeli regime have attacked Corbyn for being a racist or anti-Semitic, and that for being unwilling to rule out criticism of Israel for it's appalling treatment* of the Palestinians who, unhelpfully, have always lived on land that the Israelis want to call their own. *Since the turn of the year 167 unarmed Palestinian demonstrators have been shot dead, and another 18,000 injured, 370 of them medics. The media and neo-liberal thinking labour mps, in their desperation to be rid of this aberration of a leader, wrecking their traditional ways of thinking and enrichment just repeat the name calling. There is very rarely any debate, GPR, because they know the racist accusations are absurd and actual debate would publicly show them to be so. What I'm trying to say is being said far more clearly and elegantly here- Edited by Ffidel Bennett - 13 August 2018 at 4:28pm |
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salmidach
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I'm not anti-Semitic but the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli's is downright disgusting. these people effectively live in prisoner of war camps. everything is controlled by the Israeli's, power, sewerage, food, water etc...
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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett
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roy munster
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Theres a twitter account called tory lies
It claims there the photos of corbyn at the grave were actually taken from a different grave Edited by roy munster - 15 August 2018 at 4:28pm |
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salmidach
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they won't, Corbyn admitted that he laid the wreath... sorry but this has SERIOUSLY damaged Corbyn's reputation to the point I'm contemplating not voting for Labour at the next election. Idiotic move by Corbyn....
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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett
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Ffidel Bennett
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Even the British Brainwashing Corporation doesn't accuse Corbyn of laying a wreath at the graves of those guilty of the Munich terror. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45196409
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dr_martinov
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Eh? He was commemorating people killed in an Israeli air strike of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation. Weren't you just criticising Israel's treatment of Palestinians a moment ago?
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