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    Posted: 12 August 2018 at 8:08pm
Dan Cole is a good prop. Nothing else. He has made that spot his own in the English team because there’s no other quality TH pushing him. And as he is English he has been bragged up wey more than his actual value.
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I'd much rather have Samson and if there was a Lion's tour in 2019 I'd expect him to be picked above Cole. All IMO of course. But other than his scrummaging I've never been impressed with Dan Cole and he is one of those players who can't seem to stop himself giving away old skool penalties.
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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Not sure how anyone would pick Dan Cole to start in a combined team (very good scrummager but a bit of a liability for most of the other 75 minutes).

one of the beautiful things about rugby though is that it is such a team game and so man for man comparisons offen not particularly useful. Tigers will play like their lives depend on it and will be inspired by the Welford Road crowd as usual. Very tricky team to have in your group - but I'm confident all he sams
Really? Twice Lions tourist and over 80 international appearances? I like Samson as much as the next guy but we need to be a bit more realistic.
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Yep but neither side near fill strength and warm up so ..... I mean Bristol were unlucky not to beat us last season in pre season
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Well they beat Cardiff today.......
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Not sure how anyone would pick Dan Cole to start in a combined team (very good scrummager but a bit of a liability for most of the other 75 minutes).

one of the beautiful things about rugby though is that it is such a team game and so man for man comparisons offen not particularly useful. Tigers will play like their lives depend on it and will be inspired by the Welford Road crowd as usual. Very tricky team to have in your group - but I'm confident all he sams
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Man for man it looks as if we have a clear advantage, but from my limited experience of English midlands' sides they  tend to opt for a forward oriented team game, where denying possession to the opposition, is more important than individual brilliance. It is therefore not always instructive to make man for man comparisons, and besides we will have a fair number of newcomers to knit into the "Scarlet Way" so it will probably be closer than many of us think.
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They are a quality team full of very good players. So have we. Will be very very tough to beat them, but on our day we are certainly capable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 August 2018 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.



I guess we have to ask the question which of the above team would we select in our first 15? Putting away my rose coloured specs i would still only identify Genge, Cole, Denton, Ford & Veainu as players who would make our 23 with only Denton & Veainu possible starters.
Have to disagree here- Cole, Denton, Ben Youngs (on his day), Veainu, Tuilagi would all push for a starting spot and Genge, Polota-Nau, Kitchener, O’Connor, Ford, Toomua could all have a case to make our 23.

I had Veainu & Denton pushing to start - Genge is not the player that Rob is and he would be pushed to get in ahead of Wyn. Cole was on my bench; Tuilagi would not get in ahead of Foxy surely? Youngs would be behind both Cawdor and Hidalgo-Clyne in my book. Ford & Toomua would be bench at most. Not impressed by O'Connor frankly & don't know a lot about Polota-Nau but he would have to be good to get in ahead of Ken or Ryan and Kitchener is behind Ball & would be a toss up with Cummins, Bulbring or Rawlins. 

In all honesty with everyone fit I could pick two sets of 4-8 from our squad which would be as good/better than their first choice. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.



I guess we have to ask the question which of the above team would we select in our first 15? Putting away my rose coloured specs i would still only identify Genge, Cole, Denton, Ford & Veainu as players who would make our 23 with only Denton & Veainu possible starters.
Have to disagree here- Cole, Denton, Ben Youngs (on his day), Veainu, Tuilagi would all push for a starting spot and Genge, Polota-Nau, Kitchener, O’Connor, Ford, Toomua could all have a case to make our 23.
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Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Leicester are always going to be 'strong' all the Aviva sides are. They do not have the power or class they once had though and we really should be looking at a home win and nicking the away fixture, same probably applies for Ulster. Leicester are one of those 'the sum is not greater than the individual parts teams' at the moment. Genge is out, Tuilagi is made of china, Ford is over rated and struggles without the safety net of Farrell outside him. They are also getting the reputation of having a bit of a soft under belly if you can get on top of them early. Tough nut but no fear factor.

Go through the Leicester team above and ask yourself how many get in to our first 15. I'd have Cole and that is probably about it and even that is a toss up. Maybe Denton but that's without having a proper look at Cassiem, I get the feeling probably not. If fit Tuilagi is some player but i'd prefer Foxy, Toomua is a class operator but i'd take Parkesy. I'd have Rob over Genge and definitely Patch over Ford. The rest are almost no brainers. I'm not saying they don't have quality, i'm saying we have a lot more.

I agree as stated above. Maybe 5 of the named Leicester team above in our 23 with 1 or max 2 starting. Nobody should be expecting any easy rides in Europe - the 20 teams are after all the cream of the crop. Dare I say it the easy fixtures occur where the Ospreys are playing!!!!!

Any of the 20 teams will be very difficult to beat on their own turf; as ever the last 8 will come from the teams that can perform away. Our recent form should give us great confidence - Munster & Leinster in 2017; Bath & Glasgow last season. It is not arrogance or over confidence to suggest that we can go to all 3 of our opponents & win. It will take a huge effort and total concentration from minute one but it is achievable. Gone are the days where we were looked upon as cannon fodder & long may that continue. 
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Leicester are always going to be 'strong' all the Aviva sides are. They do not have the power or class they once had though and we really should be looking at a home win and nicking the away fixture, same probably applies for Ulster. Leicester are one of those 'the sum is not greater than the individual parts teams' at the moment. Genge is out, Tuilagi is made of china, Ford is over rated and struggles without the safety net of Farrell outside him. They are also getting the reputation of having a bit of a soft under belly if you can get on top of them early. Tough nut but no fear factor.

Go through the Leicester team above and ask yourself how many get in to our first 15. I'd have Cole and that is probably about it and even that is a toss up. Maybe Denton but that's without having a proper look at Cassiem, I get the feeling probably not. If fit Tuilagi is some player but i'd prefer Foxy, Toomua is a class operator but i'd take Parkesy. I'd have Rob over Genge and definitely Patch over Ford. The rest are almost no brainers. I'm not saying they don't have quality, i'm saying we have a lot more.
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Anybody who thinks that Leicester (and Racing & Ulster) are easy opponents is a fool.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 August 2018 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by Exkixu Exkixu wrote:

Originally posted by scarletsrules scarletsrules wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

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For me personally I hate the way we underestimate our future opposition,out of curiosity when did we last beat Leicester in a meaningful game?[/QUOTE

Probably at Stradey in 2002.


If my memory is right . We beat them at PYS in champions cup a few seasons ago when king cubby made his debut and won man of the match after one of our players (cant remember who) broke his arm in the first 15 minutes


Was it not Scott? He was subbed early on. And IIRC Ball got injured or fell ill right before the game too.
Pretty sure it was a Rich Kelly, broke his forearm and played on for a significant amount of time. Their winger messed up and gifted us a try. Remember it being a cracking atmosphere.
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Genge is out long term
 
 
 Toomua has returned to Austrailia I think ?


For the rugby championship. Tigers are apparently insisting that he returns to them for the rest weekends. So Toomua is going to clock up an air mile or six (hundred thousand). The primary victim of this club v country spat is going to be the player but because he suffers, both his teams will as well.
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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Just trying to work out what their first choice team likely is, everyone being fit/available?

1) Genge 2) Polota-Nau 3) Cole 4) Will Spencer 5) Kitchener 6) Kalamafoni 7) Brendan O’Connor 8) David Denton.
9) Ben Youngs 10) George Ford 11) Veainu 12) Toomua 13) Tuilagi 14) Thompstone 15) Tait

We can’t underestimate a side that can put a team like that out.

Agree completely. Leicester will be a very tough nut to crack
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