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So, following on (formatting obliges me to write a 'new comment to add to the above) it seems that:
1. the description of the 'hand off' as being 'with the palm of the hand' has not changed AT ALL since I started playing in the 1960s, so the Aussie fend immediately fails this test as it was done with the fist/wrist/forearm,and 2. it becomes foul play if 'excessive force' is used - that of course is a can of worms as it is open to interpretation, though I'd be of the view that the Aussie fend on Patch fails this test, too.
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Following on from this, I googled 'laws of RU' and came up with this definition:S Hand-off: A permitted action, taken by a ball-carrier to fend off an opponent, using the palm of the hand. And within 'clarifications', I found this: Law 9: Foul play A ball-carrier is permitted to hand off an opponent provided excessive force is not used. |
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I, certainly from being penalised when playing last season (albeit at lower league), was under the impression if you hand off it must be with a straight arm. I.e. you can't go in for a hand off if your arm is bent & you then straighten it into the face/body of a would be tackler.
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Cheika in his playing days was an uncompromising enforcer at No 6 I believe. He hasn't really learned the art of supporting his players but also facing reality. It also doesn't appear that he tells it as it is behind closed doors if the constant bleating is anything to go by.
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I'd like to believe it was from here. We should see a story about Cheika's cynical thuggish coaching soon as well and his irritating high pitched whining that they didn't even know the rules in the first place. A head coach does stamp his own style on a team I suppose. Not quite sure I'd say that to him in person, mind, as he's a bit bigger than me and I'd go the way of Halfpenny, Biggar, Patchell...
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I like most of the Aussies I’ve met.
However, their rugby team seems to be lead by a combination of negligence and laziness from those in charge. They’re a far cry from those I’ve met in other sports.
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i remeber price in late 70s hit from behind by an aussue plys hill getting elbowed by an aussie in lions 2001 and ogara vs nsw. Cheap shot fanny merchants bit like sunday glad we beat these cheating whingers. I recall their bleating in 89 and 2013 when the lions gave them some whacks back. Nothing changes i caN’t stick them
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Lol mentioned that to a few people on Sunday, if if it made contact at first with the chest it still rode up exactly the same as the fonotia north incident. But yea the wallabies were hard done by lol! The aftermath interview with those two was highly embarrassing what a pair of arseholes!
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The comparison with the Kieron Fonotia ban has made this morning’s Times. Owen Slot, chief rugby correspondent, mentions it in some depth.
Suspect he picked it up from Twitter rather than Scarlet Fever, unless tipped off by someone on WOL.
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Spot on!!!!
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Watched the highlights again last night - Hooper made a conscious decision to shoulder charge Biggar after he'd passed, to take him out of the next play (if I was more cynical, I'd think he was also trying to maliciously target the opposition 10), he didn't even move until Dan had released the ball.
Watching the Wallaby press conference, it seems clear that this approach comes directly from the head coach - hypocritical Hooper claimed he couldn't pull out of the challenge (which still wouldn't excuse the fact that it was high and with no attempt to wrap), while Cheika claimed not to know the tackle laws any more. Added to their embarrassing defence of Kerevi's carry technique (he's the player whose late & dangerous shoulder-charge flattened Halfpenny last year, ruining Leigh's season, don't forget), hooker Latu taking out Tipuric off the ball to set up their first try, and Reece Hodge's confession that they hadn't been coached in the latest World Rugby tackle height directives, and you have a team with a win-at-all-costs mentality who can't deal with losing when that approach fails. It wouldn't surprise me to discover they had sandpaper sewn into their pockets, too. A fish rots at the head, and an otherwise talented and exciting squad of Wallabies is being let down by their leader. Makes the win all the more satisfying, tbh, especially as Wales appear not to have suffered any serious injuries. On to Fiji... Edited by NobbySosban - 01 October 2019 at 1:19pm |
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Yato the Fijian 7 was indeed having a storming game. I don't see Hodge's tackle as targeting - he was just in the wrong position to make an effective tackle. Kerevi on Halfpenny & Patchell were borderline targeting whilst Hooper was a definite target and cheap shot on a player who had passed the ball. He definitely had plenty of time to pull out of the challenge. I am amazed he has not been cited. Perhaps the smokescreen put up by Cheika & Co. post game has had the desired effect. Either way a QF between Aus & England would be a very interesting affair. Kerevi for all his dodgy tendencies is the most effective 12 in this tournament and I would love to see him running at Farrell. For both of them to stay on the field for the full 80 would be a miracle.
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The Fijian 7 taken out was the try scorer and playing really well, I heard. 10s will always be targeted, yes, but we're seeing deliberate late hits or foul play. I'm gonna say it: they're dirty.
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Then I read your last sentence.
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They may well have targeted Biggar. They dropped Beale from the starting 15 because of concerns about his ability under the high ball. They picked a back 3 who could deal with Biggar's kicking.
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The Halfpenny lack of decision is possibly one of the worst I've seen considering access to video, replies and citing panels. It's genuinely unbelievable and cost Halfpenny a lot of his season.
And then Australia have also had a player banned this WC for a late hit. Cheika's right if he says the ref was poor because they should have had two off. His team's happy to take cheap shots, everyone can see it. And note the players his team's taken out: Halfpenny, Biggar, Patchell. Just coincidence or were they targeted? I want to see Australia meet England just for seeing Farrell's technique against Kerevi's running.
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