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Llanelliman
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I'm all for sharing PYS as suggested by other forum members. It's a win:win situation for both the Scarlets and the Ospreys. Albeit on a temporary basis. Until such time that the Gnoll in Neath can be brought up to Pro14/European specification. So that makes it a win:win:win situation, as Neath then also get a stay of execution . . . . surely ????
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s.pimpernel
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Thing is I never said that. Granted the HOT is a non binding agreement (so the Ospreys pulling out, even in the manner they did, was well within their right), but the club and Os were meeting with the PRB next day, which I can only presume was to ratify the deal, and then it would have been all ships go. MOFWIW, is that the probability is things would have progressed (at pace if you take the jump into Regionalisation into account) from the HOT and the merger would have happened, if the shareholders thought it was in the overall best interests of the Scarlets. The same for the Ospreys. Any post consultations with supporters would have been a PR exercise (IMO) because that deal was going ahead. Anyway, it doesn`t matter anymore because we`ve been told its not happening. I fly to Scotland in a few hours for a bit of R&R. Two Scarlets supporters and 6 Jacks. Should be fun
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EssexTurk
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Was thinking that very same thing. Would kill 2 birds with one stone. The Gnoll is relatively more central to the region, though would require some money spent on it initially as you say. Long term, they'd have a similar situation as at the PYS, only sharing the ground with Neath, and far more reasonable match day and maintenance costs moving forward. With Llandarcy a mere 5 miles down the road, they'd reduce they're overheads long term, whilst saving Neath in the process. Realistically though, I think there's too many Swansea RFC folk in high places at the O's who wouldn't want to move ourside of Aberjack. |
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s.pimpernel
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Do you remember where Neath RFC is? It`s in a public park. There is no way on this earth that stadium is going to get developed. They would be better off relocating to Bridgend or give Pontypridd the first class rugby they crave, although the same issues at Neath will be at Ponty. The wicked side of me says they could always re-open The Vetch.
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ladram
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why would anyone develop anywhere when the union are hell bent on getting rid of one of the west regions?
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Llanelliman
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But what is the real issue ? Is it the expense that the Ospreys have of playing at the Liberty ? Again, why don't we have a 5th Region(North Wales), which allows for 'more nets to catch more fish', to provide a greater 'player base' for the National side to select from ? Coupled with what I'd suggested earlier (viz. I'm all for sharing PYS as suggested by other forum members. It's a win:win situation for both the Scarlets and the Ospreys. Albeit on a temporary basis. Until such time that the Gnoll in Neath can be brought up to Pro14/European specification. So that makes it a win:win:win situation, as Neath then also get a stay of execution . . . . surely ????). Incidentally, what has happened to St. Helens ? (St Helen's Rugby and Cricket Ground is a sports venue in Swansea, Wales, owned and operated by the City and County) of Swansea Council.)
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Gate12
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You're believing the ospreys press releases over the one signed by everyone else then? |
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I think you are probably spot on. I suspect Rob Davies' more combative approach, as per his statement, reaffirms that. Likewise, I have never seen detailed HoTs (which these would surely have been for a deal of this nature) come apart in such spectacular fashion, or with such venom.
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ladram
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no,i'm going on the fact that the blues and dragons are seemingly untouchable and the north wales pipe dream seems to be gathering momentum so somethings got to give.
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What makes the Dragons untouchable?
They’ve been an embarrassing joke on the pitch for years. The union has control over them so it’s easier to take action. They’re so close to Cardiff that anyone who can get to Dave Parade can easily get to CAP. Have the WRU signed something daft? |
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ladram
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I said seemingly
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NobbySosban
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Dragons have been perennial under-achievers on the pitch, but they have a very effective pathway through 60+ clubs in Gwent, and their U16/U18 potential is impressive - they've just failed to translate that potential into a respectable performance as senior level.
If the regional pathway was ditched together with the pro team (they're all part of the package), that would be a lot of future talent that would likely be hoovered up by the west country English clubs. The Blues have an appalling record of developing their own pathways, so it's not an option to hand Gwent over to them in an East Wales merger. Strategically, Dragons need to remain in place, as hard as it may be to understand from a pro level.
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Surely if the academy of the new entity modelled itself on the Dragons not the Blues academy then that could be sorted, surely that is just a structure and implementation thing?
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Mike
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I don’t understand how the Ospreys regional pathway being absorbed into the Scarlets would be fine, but the Gwent pathway being absorbed into the Blues would have such damaging implications for Welsh rugby.
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salmidach
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because the eastern press would have a field day and be apocalyptic
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Mike
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It took the Dragons Academy more than a decade to develop its first Gwent product into a senior international. The numbers of players being capped from there over the last two generations is pitiful, and age grade representation is a notoriously unreliable indicator. Find it amazing that this pathway/academy would be some sacred cow to be preserved at any cost.
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