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ap sior
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I agree entirely with your point. However, as we saw at Twickers last year, neutral TMO's can clearly get it wrong. As we saw at the Principality in November, neutral TMO's can clearly get it wrong with the tackle on Halfpenny. Neutrality is one issue, so how do you get over an obvious human error ? Do we need a 'panel' of say 3, where one has a casting vote ? Ultimately what you want is a correct decision.
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Fscarlet
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One thing I would like to see is the question that the on field official asks the TMO is "Was a try scored?" Too many times a try has been awarded without grounding being seen because the official has said "is there any reason I cannot award the try". |
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KID A
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Totally agree. It's a loaded question. The refs colleague knows then to try and find a reason to agree with his mate. |
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ap sior
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I agree that the question must be consistent. However, if the referee has any suspicions about crossing/obstruction/forward pass, then he must make his suspicions clear to the TMO.
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gnasher1975
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For me I would like to see put a stop to players requesting the ref to engage the tmo and stop any replays in the stadiums, just incites fans to dig into the ref who has a hard enough job as it is. If the TMO sees something he can bring it up with the ref
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Fscarlet
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A simple "Try, yes or no" should be what is asked. |
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KID A
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The ref watches the replays though. |
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gnasher1975
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Sorry what I mean is the if the tmo sees something show the replay, I don't like the fact that you stop for a scrum and you get 6 replays of something a local tv editor thinks is a penalty and replays it constantly to insight the crowd into getting the refs attention. But when the shoe is on the other foot they suddenly can't find the angles. What happened to the Hawkeye trial a few years back? is that still in action ???
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KID A
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I suppose the stadium could blank the displays while the TMO is checking. Personally, at Y Parc I'd be miffed if they did that as I want to see what the TMO is seeing. Plus the club paid £250k for the screen! I think I read something about a Hawkeye trial coming next year. |
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gnasher1975
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I'sure I saw a game last year where they were showing the tmo with about 15 screens around him and all the tech to run through multiple angles and slow mo's unless that was a one off to show what could be done.
This is the thing, down at the parc you do see what the tmo is seeing and if the tmo has intervened fair enough, its the speculative replays where everyone has got on with the game that wreck me, slows the game down too much for me.
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KID A
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But often, it's the tv coverage that is screened on the big screens. Whatever the TV coverage is showing - the fans see. And the broadcasters obviously want to see replays from all angles to make their coverage better. I don't have a problem with it - if it means more correct decisions are made. |
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aber-fan
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This seems to be a particular problem in Ulster, where the TV guys and the region are in each other's pockets by the look of things. There should be a total ban on replaying anything on the big screen (except tries) unless it has been requested by the ref or TMO.
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NobbySosban
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Slightly old news, but Greg Garner reckons PRO14 refereeing has improved this season.
They now ask coaches to rate the refs out of 10 for key aspects of each game: "breakdown (fair contest/quick ball), scrum (fair contest/positive outcomes), line-out/maul (fair contest/positive outcomes), space (room to play in) and foul play (player safety)". Sensible stuff. Would like to see Cockers' replies. |
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That's my impression too, FWIW. One thing that hasn't changed is the hand-in glove relationship between Irish TV and Irish rugby (whether north or south of the border)... I noticed in coverage of Ireland v Scotland that incidents that could favour Ireland were replayed on the big screen, whereas at least one incident that would favour Scotland was ignored completely. Plus ca change...
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