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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Terrible decision by the referee not to give a red for a high tackle on Welsh fullback Ioan Davies


I disagree.
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Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Terrible decision by the referee not to give a red for a high tackle on Welsh fullback Ioan Davies


I disagree.
he went with the arm as a follow up ,it was lucky ioan ducked or there could have been serious injury.
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Dewi Lake is a real talent but he has got to sort his lineout work out. I realise that conditions were pretty poor which is probably why we won. One of those games where it was better to play without the ball. Conbeer's break was fantastic & his pass would have resulted in a try on most days. He really is a force going forward usually beating the first few defenders with great footwork and impressive acceleration.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SospanMawr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2019 at 11:01am
Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Terrible decision by the referee not to give a red for a high tackle on Welsh fullback Ioan Davies


I disagree.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 June 2019 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Terrible decision by the referee not to give a red for a high tackle on Welsh fullback Ioan Davies


I disagree.
he went with the arm as a follow up ,it was lucky ioan ducked or there could have been serious injury.
Also to add to this,Ioan remember had just caught a ball in the air and you cannot land on the ground with upright legs ie you have to bend knees and the kiwi should know and expect that as he arrived to tackle . He did nothing but make a hit with a follow through arm. There is no mitigation and often refs barely mention mitigation and take the end result as sufficient based on it being reckless. Should have been a red imo . That ref never thought of red in his mind and went straight to brushed arm and a duck = yellow. The ref was yellow in my book as well as green !😡
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Dewi Lake is a real talent but he has got to sort his lineout work out. I realise that conditions were pretty poor which is probably why we won. One of those games where it was better to play without the ball. Conbeer's break was fantastic & his pass would have resulted in a try on most days. He really is a force going forward usually beating the first few defenders with great footwork and impressive acceleration.
 

Yes it was embarrassing. There was no wind just rain and the ball was dried on towel but it was a shambles. The kiwis had no problems. 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Dewi Lake is a real talent but he has got to sort his lineout work out. I realise that conditions were pretty poor which is probably why we won. One of those games where it was better to play without the ball. Conbeer's break was fantastic & his pass would have resulted in a try on most days. He really is a force going forward usually beating the first few defenders with great footwork and impressive acceleration.
 

Yes it was embarrassing. There was no wind just rain and the ball was dried on towel but it was a shambles. The kiwis had no problems. 
converted flanker isnt he? Showed yday if he can get his throwing right hell be a star in the future. Lineout aside we played well
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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Terrible decision by the referee not to give a red for a high tackle on Welsh fullback Ioan Davies


I disagree.
Why?


These things need to be seen at full speed rather than ultra slow motion. The Welsh player jumped for the ball and the natural thing to do is bend your knees upon impact - this caused his height to be drastically reduced. The ABs player was committed to hit him upon landing, just unfortunate that the Welsh player's height was reduced to make the tackle look bad. I guess this was the mitigating factor the referee took into account. 
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Referee demonstrably wrong as he’s now been cited.


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Yep. The Kiwi should obviously have understood that the player would have to land after jumping well before he estimated the impact of his intended tackle to catch the ball. He didn’t show enough care or foresight and is accountable in the new tough player welfare regime for the outcome. Tough compared to the old days but he was in the wrong imo.

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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Referee demonstrably wrong as he’s now been cited.



Same is true of the TMO and perhaps the AR's as well then !

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think the other tackle by the winger broke the welsh boys jaw.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

think the other tackle by the winger broke the welsh boys jaw.

Costellow's jaw was indeed broken. I haven't seen that incident though.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

think the other tackle by the winger broke the welsh boys jaw.

This was the one that riled me more than the other one, 11 had no realistic chance of taking the ball
 came in with a shoulder and ref gave a knock on, no penalty and no card.
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Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:


think the other tackle by the winger broke the welsh boys jaw.


This was the one that riled me more than the other one, 11 had no realistic chance of taking the ball
 came in with a shoulder and ref gave a knock on, no penalty and no card.


Yes that was a clear shoulder charge -no arms tackle etc.. Should have been a yellow for sure. Poor refereeing .
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Anyone know exactly why there are 27 in U20 World Championship squads? Are there any other differences to the replacement laws (ie - can the all be used, do they have allocated positions, are rolling subs allowed?) - can't find anything on the World Rugby website, & missed any mention by commentators.
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