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Cofi
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Totally agree. If World Rugby are serious about player welfare they need do look at this. Also, as has been pointed out before, a larger squad would ensure player welfare.
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LLANDRE
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I'm sorry but commending Wales for effort is what we should expect. Wales limited game plan cost us yet again. Time to move on now.
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Jones2004
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Bit harsh, Gatland’s tactics have allways been the same and he’s had unprecedented success considering our small player pool.
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henry_winkler
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Not harsh, spot on. The limited gameplan shored up our defence and got us in contention, this would have been ok with Shane in the team but we have zero creativity. That gameplan wouldn't and shouldn't win you a world cup.
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ladram
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no team deserves to be in a world cup final by kicking the ball away and hoping for mistakes(which were never coming) wales used to known throughout the world for creative running rugby ,sadly those days are long gone,given pivac and stevo's last season with us I fear wales will go into freefall.
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ladram
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we could have had a squad of 100 but the tactics would be the same.
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Mogwen
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Pivac has a big job on his hands. Too many players are thecwro g side of 30 and will not make the next WC. Halfpenny, foxy, parkes, ken, AWJ will all be gone. Liam, North, biggar, cawdor, faletau, tipuric will be wrong side of 30 by the next WC. I think a total overhaul of the squad is needed so it has the 4 years to embed into wayne's philosophy. Plus this current team have had the creativity coached out ofvthem. It might be a tough job to reinstal.
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RR1972
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we lost a world cup semi by 3 points get a grip folks. We are a top top team
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Jones2004
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Mogwen
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Your second word says it all. We didnt win. We came up short. We wernt good enough. |
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Mogwen
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No. Just not good enough to be considered the best. And plans must be put in pkace to try and rectify that |
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Sosban89
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What is the point in having the best 13 in the world if the ball never gets to him?
What was the point in bringing Patch on if he wasn't allowed to operate in the style that suits him? he may as well have kept Biggar on. Overall, I was somewhat embarassed at the style we utilised. Yes it was a similar style to what we have used for the past years, but it was EVEN MORE conservative than normal. I've never seen so many drives by the forwards when we were on their line. Was it 20 phases without a back being involved? Just really screams of being desperate to not lose a game, rather than looking to win one. |
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Jones2004
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I think that we used the ball a lot more against Australia when we had an even battle amkngst the forwards. However we never went forward all game today and therefore couldn’t spread it out amongst the backs, and being forced to constantly kick. The quality of the kicks however is a different matter alltogether as well as North’s willinges to chase them.
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aber-fan
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It seems a bit odd to criticise Wales's tactics in losing the game, when SA used exactly the same tactics to win it! (I thought it was poor rugby by both sides, but that's by-the-by.) In truth, they sneaked it by making a few more yards with their carries, and by coming out better with the ref's interpretations - perhaps he was a bit intimidated by the campaign against him in SA before the game - they got nearly all the 50:50 calls.
I did think quite a few players looked to have emptied their tank already, and to have little left - AWJ was so quiet, and I don't think Biggar has been the same since those head knocks - Patch should have come on much earlier. As for not using Foxy - I don't believe he was anywhere near 100% and so he was being 'looked after', IMO. That leaves a question for the much unloved third-place play off: should Wales pick the typical starting 15, or make a lot of changes to freshen things up and build for the future? I know we'd all love to beat NZ, in any game, but I'd prefer to take a shot at them with a number of lesser used players starting - Tomos William, Patch, Carre, Cubby etc. At least those guys will be fairly fresh, and will have hopes of impressing for the 6N and years beyond. I suppose AWJ must start as captain, even though he looked completely knackered yesterday.
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We really shouldn't be criticising a squad that has got to the semis and lost by 3 points. Welsh rugby have no devine right to sit at the top table. Gatland & his team have done a wonderful job establishing Wales as contenders both in Europe & Worldwide.
For sure its not the Scarlets/Welsh way as played by those wonderful players in the 70's but thats nearly 50 years ago bois bach!!! I have not agreed with the tactical approach by Gatland/Howley because I really believe that we still do possess flare players who should be encouraged to express themselves. The selections of Roberts & Parkes at 12 for much of the past years with the selection at 10 has all but decided how we play. Had we possessed a commanding pack with real ball carriers it may have been different. The term being used is punching above our weight but that really is a misnomer - we were 16 kilos heavier than the South African pack which most of us would find very hard to believe. Its down to power, carrying and breakdown ability. Dynamic forwards need to be encouraged. England have Itoje, Curry & Underhill - no bigger than AWJ, Wainwright & Tipuric but on the evidence of the semis far more effective on the day. Trying to play a 10 man kicking game against South Africa seemed a crazy gameplan to me which doesn't utilise the skills of Tipuric for instance who needs the game to be played in the 13 channel to showcase his skills to the best. They have truly done their best and Pivac & his coaching team have one hell of an act to follow. I am more than a little concerned about the outcome.
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