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KID A
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Certainly not when one organisation owns 4 of the teams, and swaps players in and out of those 4 teams so they all collectively get better. |
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The released players last season probably outweighed the inbound players cash wise, but you'd guess they're still over the cap. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the cap they signed up to it. The European bit gets a bit messy, they fairly won a comp that they unfairly qualified for.
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Clearly many don't think it should be a level playing field, and are happy for rugby to go down football's route of allowing immensely wealthy owners to sign up a huge number of star players. Personally, I'm on your side - it's a bit bizarre that one of the better examples of 'levelling' the field should come from that bastion of red in tooth and claw capitalism - the USA - via one of the sports with the most absurdly well paid sportsmen anywhere - the NFL. Their system does indeed allow everyone to 'have a shot', unlike the Premiership in football (for example) - apart from the ultra-rare anomaly such as Leicester.
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KID A
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Like The Scarlets do? Edited by KID A - 07 January 2020 at 1:58pm |
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In fairness to Saracens they have produced or identified yougsters who they have brought through. They have spent a fortune yes but mixed it with a very good development programme.
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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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RR1972
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But this is not local rugby, rugby made the choice to go professional Therefore players get paid if sarries can afford to pay players a fortune good luck to them short career get it when you can
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RR1972
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Not imo professional sport is and always has been about richer clubs dominating. look at the likes of real Madrid, juve and Bayern munich in their domestic leagues or wigan in rl when they had the most money. Professional sport is not about everyone being the same imo that is idealistic and belongs in the amateur era why should talented sportsman have a limit put on what they can earn? If a billionaire bought the scarlets would you object if we started bringing top class boks and all blacks? btw the NFL for all it's alleged equality tends to have sides who dominate for periods pats in the 2010 49rs in 80s (and Denver though they kept losing the superbowl) dallas and steelers in 70'#s Edited by RR1972 - 07 January 2020 at 3:05pm |
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Before
I start I should say I’m not even sure whether I agree with myself here, but it
may be idealistic to think that if you remove any restrictions a natural order
will emerge without having a long term impact on the success and sustainability
of the sport itself, off the back of that you could then argue that if the sport
fails then it’s had it chance, but the people in charge of the game are there
to ensure it’s sustainable rather than put on a demonstration of pure sporting
capitalism. Rugby,
and sport in general, is always fighting to get the right balance between sustainability,
commercialism, competition and participation amongst other things and there isn’t
a one size fits all for each country or sport. I’ve
got no idea what the answer is for Welsh, European or World rugby and I think
pinning your colours to either end of the free for all or complete control
spectrum would be very difficult to do. I’m happy with cautious tinkering while
we find something that works because open season, in an extreme case, could see
the end of professional rugby in Wales and the amateur game completely falling
apart. |
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KID A
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Which is fine. But for some teams to have a salary cap, playing against teams that haven't - is ludicrous, and just sums up rugby governance for me. |
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Some weeks ago when the Ospreys press conference was going pear shaped, Robert Davies threw into the ring the idea that there would be a B&I League in a matter of a few seasons.
Can't see it myself with so much else going on. However, could the idea of a salary cap prove to be a stumbling block to the formation of such a League? There is no salary cap in the PRO14 to my knowledge, but if the intention is to form a B&I League, then there surely must be uniformity throughout that League? So either the salary cap goes, or one will be imposed on the PRO14 sides that join the B&I League ? I'm posting this a discussion point. Not sure what my views are at the moment. |
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KID A
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Yes. Simon Thomas on twitter suggests that the Irish are against a British and Irish League. So you have to ask yourself - why on earth would they be against forming a new competition which could net them significantly larger sums of money? Salary caps, less control, having to play their top players more, more neutral referees, being in a league that isn't run from an office next to their IRFU office in Dublin etc. |
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ladram
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because rugby becomes like society where there are the have's and the have nots.and local rugby is as guilty as anyone,in the list before xmas only 4 teams I think declared that they paid players do you think that is true?paying people more to play at lower levels than the natural stepping stones ti higher levels take's away the hunger and ambition in the game.
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RR1972
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fair play thAt is a load of rubbish. Sarries paying top class players a large wage is causing have and have not in society 😂😂. As your such an expert in local rugby (which all you seem to do is rundown) tell us how many are paying then and how much they pay?
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ladram
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obviously I don't know who is and who isn't but you could probably have a stab in the dark when players drop down 2 or 3 divisions and play for a club they have no connection with,where have I run down local rugby?the sarries have a billionaire owner=have,the welsh regions don't=have nots.
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RR1972
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Edited by RR1972 - 07 January 2020 at 6:36pm |
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