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KID A
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I'm not sure it quite works like that. Nigel Short is reportedly worth twice more than Mourad at Toulon but it's all about sponsors, tv income as well as investor money. The guy who owns Bristol Rugby is 5 times wealthier than the guy who owns Saracens. Bristol haven't won 5 times as many trophies. |
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lofty evans
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Spot on gunslinger. |
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GPR - Rochester
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I wouldn't have a clue about how many lower " amateur" teams pay players. However avery interesting quote in Steff's excellent recent article about Gareth Jenkins, a man who probably does know. Gareth was perplexed that a 30 year old player was earning £25-30K playing in the Premiership.
That surely is not what that competition is about?
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GPR - Rochester
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Kid A makes some excellent points about the undue influence of the IRFU. Perhaps we could have a British league and let them sort themselves out if they don't want to abide by the rules. That still won't solve the discrepancies though when it comes to European competition.
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Speculation this morning that it might not just be Liam released before the end of this season by Saracens.
3 other players have been named as possibly being released early by Saracens, saving them possibly up to £800k on their player salaries for the 2019-2020 season. There is also talk that Will Skelton could return to Australia before the end of his contract is up. |
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GPR - Rochester
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Yes it is clear that Wray has totally misjudged the extent of the problem which happened under his Chairmanship. Players like Barritt, Wigglesworth Rhodes & Figola are being talked of as maybe leaving earlier than expected. Time for Blues to be having a chat with Carre if they were apparently prepared to offer him a better contract only for Project Reset to get in the way.
At least he would be starting most games when available which would only help his development. The impact this whole mess will have on Saracens going forward is hard to estimate but they won't get much sympathy from their fellow Premiership rivals thats for sure.
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KID A
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Are all these players being released ones that have been injured and played under 3 games this season? I think that's the metric they use to assess whether a player counts towards the cap. |
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Of the players mentioned Wigglesworth, Barritt & Skelton have certainly played 3 or more. Figalo & Rhodes have been injured so I don't know about those.
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In their domestic competitions the presence or not of salary caps is consistent, I don't see how Europe could realistically impose or remove a cap at the moment. You could easily argue that the lack of a European cap gives the Irish teams an advantage but it's no more significant (admittedly be chance rather than design) than the dominance the top football teams have on European Competitions through having no cap in place. There's been 11 different teams in the Champions league final over the past 10 years and 9 different teams in the rugby equivalent over the same period. Repeating myself but I've no idea what the answer is, I just think that removing salary caps en-mass would be very dangerous when the current conditions are, by luck, keeping rugby relatively competitive with a chance of sustainability.
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KID A
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That's the point isn't it. A Cap is enforceable in one competition they play in, but not the other. But they have to have the same squad for both competitions. Other teams have no cap in either competition. That is absolutely crazy to me.
And therein lies this "level playing field" argument. A level playing field depends on who you speak to. Salary capping teams that are richer than you is seen by some as a level playing field. Others say letting everybody spend what they want is better. But surely surely surely surely it HAS to be the same for all teams. In baseball, there's a "luxury tax threshold" - where anyone spending over a certain amount on player payroll has to then pay huge amounts of tax on those players, and the tax is redistributed throughout the league and funds player injuries, benefits and to the other teams that don't break the threshold. One day maybe rugby union will be competently run. I doubt it. |
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Gate12
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So what's the solution? Or steps towards a solution?
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KID A
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A British and Irish League, with a salary cap of £8m / £9m. |
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Gate12
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And Europe...…….. |
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KID A
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Europe goes to a straight knockout comp to allow for fixtures. The French wouldn't be unhappy with this. The problem would be where do the Italians and South Africans go. But we've got to look out for ourselves in this. |
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RR1972
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genuine question
in sport why should the salary cap be the same for all teams? if say man united earn a billion pounds income but say shef united earn £100 million income why should they have the same salary cap? Let's look at say leinster compared to Connacht, they have a bigger fan base, get bigger crowds, have more sponsors and generate more corporate revenue why should those 2 have the same salary cap? if sarries or any club are willing and able to afford to pay their players £20,000,000 per annum why should anyone stop them? we don't have salary caps for entertainers or for business people why do we have them for sportsmen/ women? Edited by RR1972 - 08 January 2020 at 12:28pm |
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Gate12
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The French would win Europe then though with their higher salary cap
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