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KID A
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It's worth noting that the English teams signed a deal that sees CVC have a 91% stake in the company that looks after Premiirship rugby's commercial activity - that means that whatever CVBC want to happen commercial wise - will happen.
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Tim Opolis
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Thanks for this. I thought that CVC have control of Commercial activities, marketing, TV deals etc. I cant see that they have control of the Premiership clubs themsleves. Surely the clubs themselves have kept control on which league they play in? CVC came in and took control of the Commercial arm of the Premiership. That's my understanding of it.
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KID A
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No, they don't have control of the clubs. They effectively have a large control of the English tournament and it's commercial activities, and will have a large control of the pro 14 and the six nations. So make of that what you will. |
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scarletabroad
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would it be such a bad thing if pro sport such as rugby and espeacially football took a hit and returned to a more realistic affordabilty level?? I am not against sportspeople earning a living before people attack that point I did okay out of it myself for a while. But as football is finding with clubs potentially going to the wall with sky money not coming in and rugby being the same it has shown what we all know in that clubs survivial is on a balancing wire constantly and one nudge and your into oblivion, made worse every year as another club gets a bigger backer and raises the cost of everything to everyone which means bigger debts and a more precarious position. I know people will say the quality wil drop but will it? will we miss gargantuan players smashing through defences or will we see skill and natural talent rule? injuries wouldnt be so prevalent or life changing as body sizes would inevitably drop, lower club rugby could see a resurgence of numbers as (this is a case in the south east of England where I now live old clubs who normally would have 2 or 3 teams plus vets now down to one)
I know it wont happen but just putting it out there would it be such a bad thing? |
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KID A
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I don't understand why you would advocate that. If you inject less money into a professional sport, what benefits do you expect to see? It would mean fewer quality players. A decline in rugby standards. Fewer spectators. A downturn in turnover, ticket sales and broadcast revenue, which would mean the quality of affordable players declines even further, and we go round in an endless loop until the sport implodes on itself. Professional sport is rarely profitable for clubs / tebams. That's never going to change. |
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Wasp
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Yes. Awful and permanently damaging
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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henry_winkler
Veteran Dont believe a word...... Joined: 12 January 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2797 |
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I would love to go back to clubs, if CVC said they'd fund an 8 team Welsh Prem it be amazing. But they're not.
Without big money it won't happen. The very best we can hope for is an Anglo-Welsh, failing that a British league. Worse case scenario we stay as is or disappear, probably both.
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Speedy
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Covid 19 doesnt care about them. If the premiership in football are losing hundreds of millions in money from signed agreements, the pro 14s agreements are certainly also vulnerable. How can we ever get a league with travel to Italy and South africa viable in this current global climate? Whilst I agree a welsh domestic league wouldnt be the solution, its the perfect time to revamp both the english and welsh domestic game. The fact Brad moar only used the word club multiple times in his goodbye speech is reflective of where and how the club sees itself moving forward. Regions are dead. Long live this wonderful illustrious club of ours.
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ladram
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can't for the life of me see the point of having them in the league
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PE SA
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South Africa results wise on the pitch... Cheetahs doing well IMO, but south Africa have a huge market. CVC wouldn't have come in without identifying that. This has been stated by Nigel Short. South African Market is a huge interest for CVC. What people seem to forget is that Pro14 is easier to set up as a global tournament. World Club Championship. Something CVC have mentioned as a long term plan.
Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, South Africa already in unison under one league. They already own a large percentage of the English premiership and are in advanced negotiations with NZRU and South Africa... Further super rugby sides coming in from South Africa has already been a topic and even south African players starting to say that it would be better for them all to join the Pro14. Then let's not forget the talks of a team in Toronto and in America. IMO its a matter of when not if...there will be huge changes in small steps with CVC. They will get the sport marketed properly for the first time ever.
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Wasp
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Their inclusion was worth £500k per year to every club. That was the only point.
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Speedy
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To have control of the clubs they would have had to buy out each controlling stake in each one. AFAIK they have bought the controlling stake of the competitions in which they play and have done so in all the other competitions, so they do have the options of creating new competitions.
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Speedy
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Yes, agreed, long term, but short term under the current global situation? The only way I see a South African participation working is if it is european based in maybe london, where many of their fanbase are.
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cymraes
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I'd love to see a British League, return of bigger gates and more funding and I think there is support in the top English clubs. The problem will be getting the turkeys to vote for Christmas as I believe the founding clubs own a stake in the Premiership. Possibly a two division structure with promotion and relegation?
There's no way all four Welsh regions will get in to the top tier, or even the league at all, and the WRU might try again for two regions, east and west. We might get two teams in each division in which case it's essential that we remain at the top of the domestic game so that we're in pole position if such an arrangement comes about. Ymlaen!
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GPR - Rochester
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If a British & Irish league was introduced as of last season we could have something along the following lines with two divisions with two up two down format.
Division 1. Division 2 Exeter Saracens Sale Newcastle Bristol Worcester Bath Leicester Northampton London Irish Wasps Gloucester Leinster Harlequins Edinburgh Dragons Glasgow Ospreys Munster Blues Scarlets Connacht Ulster Ealing/Nottingham/Jersey |
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Legendinmybathroom
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The WOL are suggesting that there are talks of English Premiership players being asked to take a 25% pay cut moving forward, not just during the current lockdown. That suggests that the clubs are all struggling with the wages they are paying and feel that it’s not sustaining and see this as a chance for a clean start.
This makes interesting reading and I see this as an opportunity to look into the possibilities of a British or just an Anglo Welsh league. However, as I’ve said already, it has to be done fairly with welsh regions (or clubs?) being well represented from a playing point of view. I don’t want to see us(all regions) being dictated to by the English, I’ve had enough of the Pro 14 being biased towards the Irish provinces.
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