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aber-fan
Veteran Joined: 25 October 2004 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 18857 |
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Sorry, but sometimes a spear tackle doesn't result in injury because the tackler got lucky - end of. Lloyd's tackle was IMO a spear tackle, as was Warbie's (can't remember the detail of Stevo's so no opinion on that one). That DOES NOT forgive the powers that be for letting off players for far worse offences and/or players with 'previous' with pitiful slaps on the wrist - or nothing at all (Samoan). |
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scarletman
Veteran Married with Kids - Close to Bankruptcy Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Heol-y-Cyw Status: Offline Points: 12299 |
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I'm getting fed up of answering this ...
The offence of Dangerous/spear Tackle is made up as follows ...
Had the answers been Yes/Yes/Yes, then a Yellow Card would have been sufficient Had the Answer been Yes/No/ then 3 wouldn't have come into effect ! No Penalty / No Card ! All judgement should be based on Fact .. Officials/Citing/Disciplinary SHOULD NOT take into account intent/occasion/player size ! |
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RedZep
Veteran Joined: 22 December 2010 Location: Pembs Status: Offline Points: 4442 |
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This highlights my point that it is the laws of the game that are wrong (IMO). Try applying these three rules to a lifter in the lineout who's jumper ends up coming down head first unoffended. 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) no. Hence red card? Of course not. The reason why no lifter has ever been red carded, cited or banned Is because when such incidents have happened there is obviously no INTENT to deliberately hurt the player, even though the potential for injury is identical if not worse. It's just common sense to me that INTENT is everything when it comes to making these decisions. I know they are ever so slightly different technical offences, but somebody please explain to me that Lloyd Williams intent was the same as Andrew Hore's and therefore both warranted an identical ban? (Jon, I don't know if that's verbatim the wording of the rule book, but to lose the word "intent" in amongst comedy words like "player size" and "occasion" is criminal, IMO. Aber, the Stephen Jones incident I mentioned earlier was ref to v's Tommy Bowe at the Library last season when he was carded ) |
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scarletman
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Mick, its a different offence at the lineout, as its not a tackle.. its charging the lifter ! & yes there have been Red cards for that offence. you cant apply the same criteria, as the "ball carrier was not lifted by a tackler" ! |
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RedZep
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Sorry, Jon, I didn't explain myself very well. I was referring to lifters simply losing control of their own man, not being taken out as such.
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lofty evans
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I get your drift zep, but i can still see Stevo doing half the tackle Lloyd did and was yellow carded at the liberty,,,, they are stupid stupid show stuff tackle, hard and low and driving is far more effective, the question for me is why do they do it. |
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