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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ffidel Bennett Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2015 at 7:00pm
Meanwhile the gap between the haves and have-nots gets ever wider. The haves don't seemed to mind so long as they are carefully insulated from their less fortunate brothers/sisters who are now mostly content to sink into a life of escapism. But that won't last forever.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2015 at 7:29pm
LLANELLI'S TOP POLITICIAN

Lord Elwyn Jones, born in Old Castle Rd and a socialist---the old type--never forgot where he was born. I met him a few times, he actually was a member of Tarbanacle Chapel Town Hall Square, the first time was a week after he was part of the team that sorted out Ian Smith in Rhodesia.

He also was a figure in the Nuremberg Trials.

Lord Jones's brother Dr Idris Jones played for the Scarlets and I believe captained Wales, I do know Lord Jones was a supporter.

All the above is 100% true, and I think that Ian Smith played against Llanelli as a youngster---SMALL WORLD.

Sorry to say no one in the Labour Party can tie his shoe lace, and sorry leaves The Lord Howard of Lympne for dead.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote SA14 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2015 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by Jag Jag wrote:

It's interesting that you take such a binary approach SA. Do you use that in all your decision making? This car is either terrible or perfect? This person is brilliant or hopeless? That meal was perfect or inedible? Do you generally find taking such a polarised approach to things is a helpful way to make judgements in life?


If I know about something I will. If I don't I won't. You can't have an opinion on something you know nothing about. That's ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

My worry now is that given the rise of Scottish nationalists under the current votuing regime, that the Labour party will be hamstrung indefinately.   UKIP had twice the vote of the SNP. Much depends now on electoral reform.


My worry is that the SNP got all its votes in less than 60 constituencies where it won almost all of them while UKIP competed in ten times as many constituencies for its one seat.  Electoral reform will need to allow for this, while avoiding the dangerous course of ignoring the perfectly legitimate case for secession some Scots and Welsh feel they have.  No-one managed to do that in the 19th century for the Irish vote, and it's not clear anyone (except the nationalists!) has much idea how to cope with it today.

I don't know what the answer is, but I think we may need to start with a more "federal" approach where laws that apply across the federation - i.e those where the members choose to pool their sovereignty - are legislated separately from laws that apply only to individual member states, by parliaments that are elected by separate mechanisms.  They have something like this in the U.S. and Canada, but manage it with conventional two-party systems in the main.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YoungScud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2015 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by Once a monkey Once a monkey wrote:

Politics, for all the talk of the effect of policies and the like, seem cyclical and centres around major developments and defining moments, both good and bad, in all governments periods of tenure.

Thatcher rose to prominence on the back of disenchantment with union power, was bolstered by the feel good factor many took from the Falklands War and strongly supported the Armed Forces and police. She gave people the right to buy, sold shares in state held industry and made people think they were wealthy. However, her subsequent closure of heavy industry, and coalmining in particular, cast huge swathes of society adrift were signifiicant in her downfall. This was the catalyst for the perceived 'underclass' in the UK.
 
Blair stepped into the centre ground, took up the mantle of those who felt let down by the Tories and did much to support them financially. For a time we propospered, but some would argue that he created a welfare state that was cumbersome, expensive and rewarded apathy. Thatcher created the problem of genarational unemployment but, in chasing the vote, Blair's welfare state spending did little to alleviate the problems she caused. He, sensibly, walked before he would have been pushed.
 
The current government owe their success not to their own successes, but to the perceived shortcomings of the previous administration. That can't be good, surely?
 
My worry now is that given the rise of Scottish nationalists under the current votuing regime, that the Labour party will be hamstrung indefinately.   UKIP had twice the vote of the SNP. Much depends now on electoral reform.
 
That's entirely disingenuous. The SNP garnered 50% of the votes in the constituencies they contested, whereas in the same areas the LibDems got 7.5% and UKIP amassed a grand total of 48,00 votes against the SNP's 1.5 million. It's not a good system and that's whay those voting figures would have had very different results in terms of representation in Scotland because of the PR system we operate. In my view, Scottish labout deserve everything they got. They have been arrogant and dismissive of the lectorate and paid a heavy price. It's up to them to give voters what they want. They were warned and ignored the warnings.
I stated on facebook that unless there is electoral reform then Labour will NEVER get a majority in Westminster ever again. There is a hell of a chance that Sturgeon will now press ahead with another referendum for independence and I feel that this till it will be successful, especially if Cameron pushes through the referendum on Europe.

Labour will never recover from losing the chance of winning the Scottish seats back and I fear that the English and Welsh voters will never give them the swing required to claw back nearly 100 seats.

I also agree that the system is totally corrupt, but the tories won't change something that gets them into No.10

How can UKIP and the Liberal Democrats both poll considerably more voters than the SNP and win just 9 seats, whilst the SNP get only 4% of the vote and gain 56 seats.
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Oh, and david Coburn lost his deposit. I'm delighted that this piece of human detritus got what he asked for.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YoungScud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2015 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by Abbey Abbey wrote:

It's all very well Sturgeon saying that it wasn't the Scots who put Cameron into No 10, but many English floating voters didn't choose Labour as they were afraid of a Labour/SNP alliance.

Interesting times.

 
Then they were entirely supid enough not to do a little research for themselves, happy instead to allow their political thinking to be coloured by the Tories and their media pals. Hell mend them.
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