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Wil Chips
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Posted: 08 June 2019 at 7:32pm |
It’s a worry for sure, so few truly British manufacturers of scale left.
My only call out on a No deal incidentally is I can already see the players in my arena preparing to take our pants down on trade deals. It would be ugly.
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Posted: 08 June 2019 at 7:40pm |
Wil Chips wrote:
It’s a worry for sure, so few truly British manufacturers of scale left.
My only call out on a No deal incidentally is I can already see the players in my arena preparing to take our pants down on trade deals. It would be ugly.
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That's a major worry Wil. As was said after the vote, Britain hasn't negotiated a trade deal since the 1970's. It has all been done for us by the EU. With access to upwards of 400 million people, countries aren't likely to play hardball with the EU. At a mere 65 million, we're at a severe disadvantage.
Chlorinated chicken and hormone filled beef, here we come ! We will certainly have an obesity problem then !
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 6:36am |
The only glint of light I see is the return of industries, like mine, to onshore solutions both because Generation Z are the first to fully embrace and demand that entities clearly and definitively show their ethical and environmental standards.
If the UK Govt can provide appropriate incentives to locate in the UK, with or without Europe, we might just see a resurgence.
Amazon’s possibly fatal flaw is to consider speed trumps an environmental footprint.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 7:56am |
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 8:50am |
Recent survey in the US showed most consumers believed it was China that paid in full for the recent tariff hikes 🤔
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 10:01am |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
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You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 10:30am |
Rob o'r Bont wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
| You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed. |
So we are assuming that chlorinated chicken is a good deal !
There's also the assumption that the consumer has a choice, where in reality if chlorinated chicken is the only chicken on offer, then you're choice has already been taken away.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 10:41am |
ap sior wrote:
Rob o'r Bont wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
| You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed. |
So we are assuming that chlorinated chicken is a good deal !
There's also the assumption that the consumer has a choice, where in reality if chlorinated chicken is the only chicken on offer, then you're choice has already been taken away. |
That is totally correct. However that is my point about having a concerted Government led campaign to support all things British. I would certainly still buy free range British reared chickens and I certainly don't come from the Rhys Mogg part of society.
We must get back to the old values of supporting local Industry; supporting British products. I understand that this won't happen overnight but peoples' perceptions can be changed with the correct planning, effort and financial inducements. We have been hamstrung for too many years when even if we wanted to we couldn't support British Industry. Take the steel industry as an example. No assistance could even be countenanced as it was not allowed by EU rules. With Brexit on the horizon this will all change and the Government need to grasp the nettle & use the billions we will save to directly support worthwhile British Industry.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 11:17am |
ap sior wrote:
Rob o'r Bont wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
| You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed. |
So we are assuming that chlorinated chicken is a good deal !
There's also the assumption that the consumer has a choice, where in reality if chlorinated chicken is the only chicken on offer, then you're choice has already been taken away. |
My understanding is that chlorinated chicken will be a very bad deal, but it wil be cheap. It's banned in the EU (and currently UK) for very good health reasons. Farming standards in the US are way below EU standards, not just for human health reasons but for animal cruelty reasons as well.
There will be a choice (for the wealthy at least) as there will still be a market for healthier more expensive products.
Edited by Rob o'r Bont - 09 June 2019 at 11:18am
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 11:22am |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
ap sior wrote:
Rob o'r Bont wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
| You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed. |
So we are assuming that chlorinated chicken is a good deal !
There's also the assumption that the consumer has a choice, where in reality if chlorinated chicken is the only chicken on offer, then you're choice has already been taken away. |
That is totally correct. However that is my point about having a concerted Government led campaign to support all things British. I would certainly still buy free range British reared chickens and I certainly don't come from the Rhys Mogg part of society.
We must get back to the old values of supporting local Industry; supporting British products. I understand that this won't happen overnight but peoples' perceptions can be changed with the correct planning, effort and financial inducements. We have been hamstrung for too many years when even if we wanted to we couldn't support British Industry. Take the steel industry as an example. No assistance could even be countenanced as it was not allowed by EU rules. With Brexit on the horizon this will all change and the Government need to grasp the nettle & use the billions we will save to directly support worthwhile British Industry. |
'Buy local, eat local' predates Brexit, and is a 'campaign' that I am fully behind. I for one look for the Welsh Flag on items when I shop. Milk and butter being two examples. However, we are not self sufficient in many goods, and therein lies the problem. Chicken being one of those items.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 11:32am |
ap sior wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
ap sior wrote:
Rob o'r Bont wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
If the Brexit negotiations are anything to go by I don't hold out much hope for our trade deals. We certainly need to put together an effective team working to a well defined strategy to maximise our success. That strategy ideally would be cross party supported and have at its core the steady return of manufacturing capacity to the UK.
Government needs to show its ready to invest in British technology & innovation not just pay lip service. Buy British should be the mantra. If chlorinated chicken is a price to pay for a good deal from the USA then it should be considered. After all it will be the end consumer who will have the final say at the check out or am I being too simplistic.
| You're right, it will be the consumer that has the say. It wont affect the wealthy mind as they won't be buying the cheap stuff, this is why the Rhys Moggs of this world arent worried. It will be the less well of that will get screwed. |
So we are assuming that chlorinated chicken is a good deal !
There's also the assumption that the consumer has a choice, where in reality if chlorinated chicken is the only chicken on offer, then you're choice has already been taken away. |
That is totally correct. However that is my point about having a concerted Government led campaign to support all things British. I would certainly still buy free range British reared chickens and I certainly don't come from the Rhys Mogg part of society.
We must get back to the old values of supporting local Industry; supporting British products. I understand that this won't happen overnight but peoples' perceptions can be changed with the correct planning, effort and financial inducements. We have been hamstrung for too many years when even if we wanted to we couldn't support British Industry. Take the steel industry as an example. No assistance could even be countenanced as it was not allowed by EU rules. With Brexit on the horizon this will all change and the Government need to grasp the nettle & use the billions we will save to directly support worthwhile British Industry. |
'Buy local, eat local' predates Brexit, and is a 'campaign' that I am fully behind. I for one look for the Welsh Flag on items when I shop. Milk and butter being two examples. However, we are not self sufficient in many goods, and therein lies the problem. Chicken being one of those items. |
I understand that argument & we will never be fully self sufficient but we can certainly make huge strides to support our producers. I don't for one minute suggest that we suddenly throw away all our welfare standards but we are going to be in control of our own standards. If USA food products are not good enough then they will be off the table.
Much has been made for instance of the comments made about the NHS being part of the deal. The reaction from Hancock & others has been very naive in my opinion. Do they really believe that currently the NHS does not source biliions of pounds worth of products from outside the UK/EU. If American companies can supply 1000 latest technology CT/MRI scanners cheaper than the current German supplier why wouldn't be interested? Joy for me, of course, is that a UK company will eventually step up to the plate and supply.
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 11:52am |
Why will we have to eat chlorinated chicken? Plenty of non eu country’s don’t. Brexit scaremongering is as bad from remain as leave tbh
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Posted: 09 June 2019 at 12:29pm |
For those agreeing with neo-liberal thinking that US style privatisation is good and public ownership is bad, a few minutes reading the following article may correct this thinking https://off-guardian.org/2019/06/07/the-neoliberal-disaster-of-us-healthcare/
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Posted: 08 September 2019 at 10:30am |
roy munster wrote:
They paid £63 million in business rates last year on £8 billion turnover thats a rate of 0.007%They paid £62 million in corporation tax in 10 years turnover of over £60 billion? thats 0.001%
Now theyre opening shops on the high street under another name against other sme's who pay vastly more % rates in business rates and tax
All these layers of politicians at the WAG the national parliaments, westminster and the EU and the playing field is more imbalanced and immoral than ever. what does that tell you?
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Amazon is a massive employer in the UK and as a result there are other industries that are enjoying the fruits of their labour such as the haulage industry, van drivers etc.
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Posted: 08 September 2019 at 12:58pm |
henry_winkler wrote:
roy munster wrote:
They paid £63 million in business rates last year on £8 billion turnover thats a rate of 0.007%They paid £62 million in corporation tax in 10 years turnover of over £60 billion? thats 0.001%
Now theyre opening shops on the high street under another name against other sme's who pay vastly more % rates in business rates and tax
All these layers of politicians at the WAG the national parliaments, westminster and the EU and the playing field is more imbalanced and immoral than ever. what does that tell you?
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Amazon is a massive employer in the UK and as a result there are other industries that are enjoying the fruits of their labour such as the haulage industry, van drivers etc. |
you can say that about any big company such as TATA steel... doesn't excuse the fact that they are using LEGAL loopholes in our tax system to get away with paying their way.
it's stuff like this that we need to fix and not the EU...
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Posted: 09 September 2019 at 1:29pm |
salmidach wrote:
henry_winkler wrote:
roy munster wrote:
They paid £63 million in business rates last year on £8 billion turnover thats a rate of 0.007%They paid £62 million in corporation tax in 10 years turnover of over £60 billion? thats 0.001%
Now theyre opening shops on the high street under another name against other sme's who pay vastly more % rates in business rates and tax
All these layers of politicians at the WAG the national parliaments, westminster and the EU and the playing field is more imbalanced and immoral than ever. what does that tell you?
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Amazon is a massive employer in the UK and as a result there are other industries that are enjoying the fruits of their labour such as the haulage industry, van drivers etc. |
you can say that about any big company such as TATA steel... doesn't excuse the fact that they are using LEGAL loopholes in our tax system to get away with paying their way.
it's stuff like this that we need to fix and not the EU...
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Quite so.
Far too many absolutely huge companies, as well as extremely wealthy individuals, get away with paying tax at a lower rate than most of us.
The arguments include "creating jobs", but these companies usually destroy more retail jobs than they create. They also depend on a workforce earning 'McJob' rates of pay, with their employees looking forward to minimum pensions, rather than better pay, prospects, standard of life, health, and old age earnings.
In general (there are exceptions, obviously) smaller, local companies are more accountable and give their staff a better quality of life.
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