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    Posted: 02 April 2020 at 4:35pm
Are we in favour of this new rule? will it really open defences or just make sides kick to touch time and time again and using driving mauls?
 
And who will be the best half backs for us to use with this new law? Will it suit us as a team or not?
 
 
Any take on it folks?


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It was applying in Italy this year...talking with other coaches, someone federal one, they said that not changed the game or tattical approach..Im talking for Italy, where we have a bad kicking play at all levels..
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When the proposal was first sounded, my initial reaction was disbelief that the attacking/kicking side would also have the lineout and that it would give a huge advantage to those with accurate kickers and a powerful pack for the lineouts/mauls - something like the Ospreys of a few years ago. More recently I have begun to warm to the idea, perhaps after seeing our attempted off-loading game being stifled by sides employing rush defences making off-loading difficult and sometimes suicidal if the off-loads are intercepted. The logic behind the rule change is that the defending side will need to place more defenders along the touch-line to stop the ball bouncing into touch from a kick and this will keep those players out of the crowded mid-field, giving us more space to off=-load and create. The rule was also meant to cut down injuries and give more scope for smaller more creative players.
We already have a few of those in Steff Evans, Costelow, AOB and Conbeer and possibly others in the Academy and feeder clubs. A little bigger, but no less creative and capable of exploiting space we have the likes of Patch and Cawdor and Cubby. Then a powerful pack and a carrying 8 would take care of the other option when we have to kick and use a lineout/rolling maul to score the boring way!!!
Now I can't say I'm completely convinced that the change would favour us, and I'd really like to see a few games played under these rules before deciding.
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This is worth having a look at, IMO. In theory it will reduce the number of defenders in the front line, leading to more opportunities with the ball in hand. 
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

This is worth having a look at, IMO. In theory it will reduce the number of defenders in the front line, leading to more opportunities with the ball in hand. 

However if you have a dominant line out and can pinch opposition ball, you needn't bother guarding the touchline !
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Sounds an exciting law change.
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I’m intrigued by the potential for change by this proposal.

I like the idea. I think the status quo needs to change. 

What is there to lose by not trying it?
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Re mauls, maybe there should be a limit on them, or the amount of time the ball can be kept in the dark. It’s not a vampire. It won’t turn to ash in the daylight despite what Northampton Saints under Mallender and others practised.

Let the ball see the light of day and air. It’s healthy and what’s more important at times like we’re in?
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What about the wasted time on “Penalty advantage”? It seems endless 
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

This is worth having a look at, IMO. In theory it will reduce the number of defenders in the front line, leading to more opportunities with the ball in hand. 


However if you have a dominant line out and can pinch opposition ball, you needn't bother guarding the touchline !


True, but even with a much superior lineout, a defending side is hardly likely to pinch more than 50% of the attacking side's ball, so if let's say, the attacking side found valid touches in the opposition 22, on 10 occasions in a match, this would still have given it possession in the opponents 22 (and a good chance of scoring) on 5 extra occasions. Overall I don't think many sides would risk leaving the touchlines undefended for long.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2020 at 11:36am
The driver is injury reduction and it looks worth implementing. Nothing to be lost. It will slightly rejuvenate the precision kicking 10 role as well 👍
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

The driver is injury reduction and it looks worth implementing. Nothing to be lost. It will slightly rejuvenate the precision kicking 10 role as well 👍
 
dan jones could do well out of this, also sam davies and biggar
 
 
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Re mauls, maybe there should be a limit on them, or the amount of time the ball can be kept in the dark. It’s not a vampire. It won’t turn to ash in the daylight despite what Northampton Saints under Mallender and others practised.

Let the ball see the light of day and air. It’s healthy and what’s more important at times like we’re in?

I think there is a danger with that. 

Say the ball HAS to come out after 5 seconds, and say the maul is on the defending side's 10m line, then after 3 seconds the defending side could withdraw all but, say 2 players from the maul, knowing that they won't concede a try. 

If there's going to be a time limit, then I feel it has to be aligned with the scrum law, that no one can leave the maul until the ball is out. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 April 2020 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

The driver is injury reduction and it looks worth implementing. Nothing to be lost. It will slightly rejuvenate the precision kicking 10 role as well 👍
 
dan jones could do well out of this, also sam davies and biggar
 
 
I think so . Anything to mix up the endless “ up and unders” as someone of my generation still call them ! ( “Bombs” to young and cool like you RR 😂) 
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