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    Posted: 09 January 2012 at 10:06pm
So if they prove the existence of the Higgs Boson this year will it mean the beginning of the end for religion as we know it?
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Physicists dont believe in anything other than the big bang anyway. (Recorded Horizon will watch it later) But you cant rule out that a god or whatever you want to believe in didnt create the big bang and the whole universe anyway. Its just the old testament that's been made to look twp.
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Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
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Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

Physicists dont believe in anything other than the big bang anyway. (Recorded Horizon will watch it later) But you cant rule out that a god or whatever you want to believe in didnt create the big bang and the whole universe anyway. Its just the old testament that's been made to look twp.
A lot of them now believe in 'inflation' rather than the 'big bang'. Can't get my head around the religion thing to be honest but many do.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Im not sure mate that's why i ask. I would like to think that it's another nail in the coffin so to speak but i have had plenty of 'debates' with religious people to probably realise they will take it all in theis stride and say it proves nawt. At least scientists try to prove/disprove things! Not sure there is any evidence of the big man (except Cantona of course).
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Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

Physicists dont believe in anything other than the big bang anyway. (Recorded Horizon will watch it later) 
 

Not true actually, there was another horizon on recently which presented several alternative ideas on the creation of our universe to the big bang theory (it is only a theory after all).


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Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Im not sure mate that's why i ask. I would like to think that it's another nail in the coffin so to speak but i have had plenty of 'debates' with religious people to probably realise they will take it all in theis stride and say it proves nawt. At least scientists try to prove/disprove things! Not sure there is any evidence of the big man (except Cantona of course).

Yup, we try our best to. Mind you, all I've proved today is I didn't set up my experiment correctly over the weekend so now have to repeat it. 

And the funny thing is, if I get it right.... I will need to repeat it! LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A Evans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Comedy gold this is mun.
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Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Im not sure mate that's why i ask. I would like to think that it's another nail in the coffin so to speak but i have had plenty of 'debates' with religious people to probably realise they will take it all in theis stride and say it proves nawt. At least scientists try to prove/disprove things! Not sure there is any evidence of the big man (except Cantona of course).

I think creationists have actually focused on completely the wrong argument with evolution, because there is overwhelming evidence in favour of it - all the way from the molecular level to multicellular organisms. Their refusal to accept any of it merely proves them to be a load of ignorant idiots with no idea of what evidence, facts and theories are. I have no belief that evidence for the existence of the Higgs boson will change any of their views based on this.

Instead of questioning evolution, they should have been asking questions about why science has not explained "what created the big bang?", "what existed before it?" and "what is our universe expanding in to?" because those are far trickier things to answer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim Opolis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Im not sure mate that's why i ask. I would like to think that it's another nail in the coffin so to speak but i have had plenty of 'debates' with religious people to probably realise they will take it all in theis stride and say it proves nawt. At least scientists try to prove/disprove things! Not sure there is any evidence of the big man (except Cantona of course).

I think creationists have actually focused on completely the wrong argument with evolution, because there is overwhelming evidence in favour of it - all the way from the molecular level to multicellular organisms. Their refusal to accept any of it merely proves them to be a load of ignorant idiots with no idea of what evidence, facts and theories are. I have no belief that evidence for the existence of the Higgs boson will change any of their views based on this.

Instead of questioning evolution, they should have been asking questions about why science has not explained "what created the big bang?", "what existed before it?" and "what is our universe expanding in to?" because those are far trickier things to answer.
 
Which was my point earlier. As for what the universe is expanding in to, its expanding to its inevitable death isnt it? when the very last star becomes a dim light and then nothing, darkness. I know this to be true cause Brian Cox told me. Wink
 
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Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

So if they prove the existence of the Higgs Boson this year will it mean the beginning of the end for religion as we know it?



No.

In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Comedy gold this is mun.

If you go on a few random articles, you'll find all the evils in the world are because of homosexual liberal atheists. Watch out Stephen Fry I say. Wink
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Originally posted by Tim Opolis Tim Opolis wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by A Evans A Evans wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Why would it? 

If you read this page written by evangelical conservatives in America, Jesus actually predicted quantum tunnelling in the bible:


The chat page is hilarious where someone is seemingly legitimately discussing the wave particle nature of Jesus.
Im not sure mate that's why i ask. I would like to think that it's another nail in the coffin so to speak but i have had plenty of 'debates' with religious people to probably realise they will take it all in theis stride and say it proves nawt. At least scientists try to prove/disprove things! Not sure there is any evidence of the big man (except Cantona of course).

I think creationists have actually focused on completely the wrong argument with evolution, because there is overwhelming evidence in favour of it - all the way from the molecular level to multicellular organisms. Their refusal to accept any of it merely proves them to be a load of ignorant idiots with no idea of what evidence, facts and theories are. I have no belief that evidence for the existence of the Higgs boson will change any of their views based on this.

Instead of questioning evolution, they should have been asking questions about why science has not explained "what created the big bang?", "what existed before it?" and "what is our universe expanding in to?" because those are far trickier things to answer.
 
Which was my point earlier. As for what the universe is expanding in to, its expanding to its inevitable death isnt it? when the very last star becomes a dim light and then nothing, darkness. I know this to be true cause Brian Cox told me. Wink
 

As good an answer as any! He played keys for D:Ream mun so must know what he's on about.

What happens after is another interesting question - it will most likely die as you say but will everything return to a single point in a big crunch? or even will our dead universe will somehow be the instigation of the big bang for another, larger universe? There's quite a few ideas about this, if you can find the Horizon on it, "Horizon: What Happened before the Big bang?" it was called.
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The really BIG question is -
Will the Galacticos get a Heineken Cup semi-final before the heat death the universe predicted by the Second Law of Thermodynamics?


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"No silicon heaven? But where do all the calculators go?"
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Originally posted by no.6 no.6 wrote:

"No silicon heaven? But where do all the calculators go?"
 
They go to a place where they crunch some numbers.
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