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Is Wales really a rugby nation?

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    Posted: 20 March 2017 at 8:34pm
This is a very serious question, so hear me out.  Along with New Zealand and South Africa, Wales is still seen as one of the main heartlands of rugby union, but to what extent is this really true?  Around three times as many people play or watch football in Wales than play or watch rugby.  Professional club attendances are considerably below England, France and even Ireland, and let's not go there when it comes to semi-pro and amateur club attendances.  England has more rugby players per capita than Wales does.  So, why the strong association between Wales and rugby?
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I think internationally Wales is a rugby nation. Come international time, every man and his dog have opinions (swiped from scrum v or tinterweb). So most people looking in at us will see the majority of the population as 'rugby fans'. The truth is, I believe that as club story goes Wales is really a football nation, as other than during the internationals I rarely hear anyone at work taking rugby.
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Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

This is a very serious question, so hear me out.  Along with New Zealand and South Africa, Wales is still seen as one of the main heartlands of rugby union, but to what extent is this really true?  Around three times as many people play or watch football in Wales than play or watch rugby.  Professional club attendances are considerably below England, France and even Ireland, and let's not go there when it comes to semi-pro and amateur club attendances.  England has more rugby players per capita than Wales does.  So, why the strong association between Wales and rugby?

It is futile trying to compare attendances of pro rugby in Ireland to that here in Wales. The populations of the Irish provinces are vastly superior to those in Wales. The populations of both Leinster and Ulster are over 2 million. Compare that with the three counties that make up the Scarlets region where the total population is around 400,000.
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"There is a difference between the terms nation, state, and country, even though the words are often used interchangeably. Country and State are synonymous terms that both apply to self-governing political entities. A nation, however, is a group of people who share the same culture but do not have sovereignty."
I'm not sure Wales / Cymru qualifies as a nation, let alone a rugby nation. There are far too many fair-weather friends who can't be counted on during a poor run.

 

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Id say it's more football and certainly in llanelli!
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In terms of numbers, swimming remains as Wales number 1 sport.
Football is second, rugby is 3rd.

Is Wales a rugby nation? With constant crowds of 65000+ in more or less all home internationals, A fair few sell out.
Wales football have had a great tournament recently but still opt to play in Cardiff City stadium (a 30000 stadium) so that they can fill the ground.

Another factor to point out is that Wales have nearly sold out their tickets in 6N at near £100...Wales football dont get those numbers and are a lot cheaper than £100 a ticket!

So it all depends which way you look at it...is Wales a rugby nation?
I think so...
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Whilst international crowds are bigger for rugby, the number of people watching pro football compared to pro rugby every weekend in wales is close, but football has the edge

at club level regions average approx 8000 overall x 4 teams is 32,000 a fortnight =16,000 a week
cardiff and swansea aaverage 17000 and 20000 respectively 
they are only 2 teams so each weekend on average its 37,000 divide by 2 = 185000 a week

IF cardiff city made the premiership and stayed there that could give football a big step  to clear number 1 sport

Not sure how reliable all these figures are but according to wiki...
participation levels in wales, at 50,500  means per head are higher than most countries
But englands 1.9 million is staggering (Theres only 2.66 million playing football in england so that gap isnt so huge) . the total for the whole rugby world is only 4.5 million...england makes up 40% of it
even per head england is 3.6 per 100 people wales is just 1.7 per 100 people
new zealand is 3.5 almost identical to englands per 100 people

theyre doing something right across the bridge


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