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    Posted: 30 January 2010 at 11:53pm
I always thought that, when a penalty was awarded, the kicker had to indicate to the ref that he was going for goal. Otherwise everyone assumes that there isnt a kick. After tonight it seems that the coach rather than the kicker makes the decision and he makes the decision by getting the kicking tee on the pitch. Is this correct and if so when did the law change?
 
Walder did not indicate at all any intention of going for goal- well done Scarlets for not switching off.  
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It was obvious that he wasn't planning on kicking at goal because he took a fast one himself.
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Posts: 9219 		  Quote KID A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2010 at 12:27am
The whole debacle of that incident in tonights game was embarrassing.

You could see the referee running with the wasps players as they took the quick penalty. It seemed to me that he only blew up when it looked like the attacking team were going to muck it up.

I thpught he had a good game all round, but that incident belonged somewhere else. Not professional rugby.
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Thought the ref was tidy today, with a few exceptions. When you look back at Stevo's try in the AI's, when Jinx was handing him the tee, it makes you wonder what has been said since.
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Thought the referee had an absolute shocker, he seemed determind to keep wasps in the game, everytime it felt like we were going to take control back he found a way to penalise us, he signalled the penalty ran to the spot with his arm up and walder went for the quick tap literally as the referee got to the mark, he then took an age to blow up afterwards.

Also are there laws relating to the height of goal posts cos surely there shouldnt have been a need for the video ref on that kick?, if they had given it surely it couldve been argued that with "normal" height posts the ball wouldve come back off them?
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Posts: 3394 		  Quote Once a monkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2010 at 1:19am
Agree he was indecisive for the kick, and the penalty incident. Thought we had a few harsh decisions elsewhere, but so did they imo. The best bit was he awarded the 6 penalties that Rhys kicked. Happy days!
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It is the responsibility of the captain to inform the referee that there will be a kick at goal and until the referee signals the kick at goal it is to be assumed that the ball will be played. Over the years several teams have switched off when a penalty has been given in a kickable position. There have also been instances when there have been other "interferances" than the site of the kicking tee on the field.
Several years ago Lee Jarvis scored a try for Neath after the referee gave a penalty in a kickable position. The referee stopped play for treatment to an injured player, Pontypridd retired behind the posts. The injured player got back to his feet, the physio started to walk off, the referee started the clock,  Jarvis threw the tee to the floor, tapped the ball and run to the corner and scored a try. Ponty complained but as the referee hadn't signaled a kick at goal the try stood.
Recently Ireland were awarded a penalty 10 yards from the South African try line, O'Gara stepped forward, the referee told the South African captain to inform his players that anymore penalities would result in a yellow card, whilst the captain was giving this message to his team, ROG tapped the ball and cored in the corner. The referee gave a try much to South Africa's complaints.
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I think the ref. made it up on the spot last night. Wasps chose to tap and go and the play should have continued.
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We were told in our society meeting after the November Stephen Jones incident, that it doesn't make a difference who brings it on, but when a kicking tee arrives on the pitch, that is the signal to go for a shot at goal.
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Originally posted by Alun

We were told in our society meeting after the November Stephen Jones incident, that it doesn't make a difference who brings it on, but when a kicking tee arrives on the pitch, that is the signal to go for a shot at goal.
 
OK, so that is the guidance but it will lead to more complaints of the sort described above. If the tee-carrier advances on the pitch just as the kicker takes a quick one and scores a try and then there is a certain amount of confusion as to exactly where the tee was as the quick penalty was taken. In the Stevo incident this may well have been obvious but it wont always be. I doubt, for instance that there was video evidence last night to prove just where the tee was as Walder touched the ball onto his boot.
 
And as I said, it means that the coach makes the decision, not his team. Which is not a good thing. And in lower league games, where the referee is on his own, it places him in a more complicated position.
 
 
 
 
 
  
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Posts: 220 		  Quote greypower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 January 2010 at 5:49pm
Do you seriously think the Referee would have disallowed a try if Wasps had scored from the quick tap.  No way Jose'
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Originally posted by Alun

We were told in our society meeting after the November Stephen Jones incident, that it doesn't make a difference who brings it on, but when a kicking tee arrives on the pitch, that is the signal to go for a shot at goal.
 
I doubt if he would have stopped the play if the Scarlets had taken a quick tap and then had the ball intercepted. That ref was a homer and determined to keep wasps in the game.
 
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