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Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

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If you are going to compare semi-pro rugby,  to top flight rugby  (of any era) then expect relevant repleis.
 
The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds. The one difference is that due to regionalisation, the great teams of old are now semi-professional and as such, it doesn`t have the "support" that it used to.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
the cup finals of old would be like an extra trial, full of internationals, spiced up with proper club rivalry. in terms of domestic rugby you could get much higher, and its where the nuetrals would gravitate to see top class rugby. now they get it from the umpteen internationals per year. they don`t need to go to magners, or semi pro rugby to get it.
 
 
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Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:


 
The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds.
 
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But the players aren't. They're 18 year olds. On development contracts.  Or 34 year olds over the hill.Who have never played at the top level.

And you're surprised that 55,000 people don't turn up to watch them?

I think I must have missed the point here.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:


 
The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds.
 


But the players aren't. They're 18 year olds. On development contracts.  Or 34 year olds over the hill.Who have never played at the top level.

And you're surprised that 55,000 people don't turn up to watch them?

I think I must have missed the point here.
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Don`t partially quote me when I also said that "the one difference is that due to regionalisation, the great teams of old are now semi-professional and as such, it doesn`t have the "support" that it used to.
 
I repeat. I`m not surprised that there isn`t 55,000 there because the competition, which in essence is the same competition as it always has been, no longer has the profile that it used to because it is now a semi pro competition. I didn`t see any harm in reminising about what for me used to be a special day. I appreciate that those who follow the semi-pros will disagree with me but for me personally, the magic of Cup Final Day disappeared when professional rugby went regional.
 
To be brutally honest, taking the size of the yesterdays` crowd into consideration, I don`t think the WRU can justify holding the "finals day" at the MS anymore.
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Can't believe this wasn't a sell out for such a big game
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Originally posted by flanker flanker wrote:

Can't believe this wasn't a sell out for such a big game
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Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:


 
The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds.
 


But the players aren't. They're 18 year olds. On development contracts.  Or 34 year olds over the hill.Who have never played at the top level.

And you're surprised that 55,000 people don't turn up to watch them?

I think I must have missed the point here.
 
Don`t partially quote me when I also said that "the one difference is that due to regionalisation, the great teams of old are now semi-professional and as such, it doesn`t have the "support" that it used to.
 
I repeat. I`m not surprised that there isn`t 55,000 there because the competition, which in essence is the same competition as it always has been, no longer has the profile that it used to because it is now a semi pro competition. I didn`t see any harm in reminising about what for me used to be a special day. I appreciate that those who follow the semi-pros will disagree with me but for me personally, the magic of Cup Final Day disappeared when professional rugby went regional.
 
To be brutally honest, taking the size of the yesterdays` crowd into consideration, I don`t think the WRU can justify holding the "finals day" at the MS anymore.
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Surely that depends if they are holding it there at a loss of revenue?
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Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:


 
The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds.
 


But the players aren't. They're 18 year olds. On development contracts.  Or 34 year olds over the hill.Who have never played at the top level.

And you're surprised that 55,000 people don't turn up to watch them?

I think I must have missed the point here.
 
Don`t partially quote me when I also said that "the one difference is that due to regionalisation, the great teams of old are now semi-professional and as such, it doesn`t have the "support" that it used to.
 
I repeat. I`m not surprised that there isn`t 55,000 there because the competition, which in essence is the same competition as it always has been, no longer has the profile that it used to because it is now a semi pro competition. I didn`t see any harm in reminising about what for me used to be a special day. I appreciate that those who follow the semi-pros will disagree with me but for me personally, the magic of Cup Final Day disappeared when professional rugby went regional.
 
To be brutally honest, taking the size of the yesterdays` crowd into consideration, I don`t think the WRU can justify holding the "finals day" at the MS anymore.
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I'm happy that competitions like the Heineken Cup have really grown in stature, even if it is at the expense of Swalec Cup / Schweppes cup.
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We had more chance of winning them.
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Originally posted by jonesb jonesb wrote:

Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by s.pimpernel s.pimpernel wrote:


 

The competition is exactley the same as the cup competition that used to attract 55,000 crowds.

 


But the players aren't. They're 18 year olds. On development contracts.  Or 34 year olds over the hill.Who have never played at the top level.And you're surprised that 55,000 people don't turn up to watch them?I think I must have missed the point here.

 

Don`t partially quote me when I also said that "the one difference is that due to regionalisation, the great teams of old are now semi-professional and as such, it doesn`t have the "support" that it used to.

 

I repeat. I`m not surprised that there isn`t 55,000 there because the competition, which in essence is the same competition as it always has been, no longer has the profile that it used to because it is now a semi pro competition. I didn`t see any harm in reminising about what for me used to be a special day. I appreciate that those who follow the semi-pros will disagree with me but for me personally, the magic of Cup Final Day disappeared when professional rugby went regional.

 

To be brutally honest, taking the size of the yesterdays` crowd into consideration, I don`t think the WRU can justify holding the "finals day" at the MS anymore.

 

Surely that depends if they are holding it there at a loss of revenue?
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I dont think the wru are to bothered about the crowd, i think its more along the lines of giving players in lower divisons the chance to play in the millennium stadium, that is a dream come true for most players in the swalec leagues and on saturday 76 players did that
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Exactly and i applaud the WRU for this
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