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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

But the Drags one would be alot more because it would be a NDC and the Drags contribution. For us it would just be the NDC. Our contract would be separate. Or would it?

We're going to pay Moriarty alot ourselves so one really wouldnt expect the Drags (=WRU) to pay alot more than us before the NDC. But it is certainly wrong and against various contract laws that the WRU might have information as to what we are bidding when they (=Drags) also are bidding. I'm currently tendering for some business and I would love to know what the opposition is tendering- as they no doubt would love to know what I am doing. 
Don't think it works like that. WRU negotiate the full contract & the region agree to pay 40%. I cannot see that what has been reported i.e. WRU offering Moriarty two separate NDC's depending on which region he joins would be allowable within the regional game. I fully understand that the Dragons are less attractive to returning Wales players but that is not the fault of the Scarlets. This suggests that the WRU are hell bent on attempting to level out the -playing strengths of all regions instead of allowing excellence to flourish.

All regions should have the same WRU funding & they cannot show bias to any region regardless of ownership. I think it is probably time that NDC's were scrapped and the central monies saved put back into the equally shared pot. Regions must stand or fall by the quality of their management.
 
I agree hence why I have posted it. Comes from a usually reliable source who is very close to everything Gloucester. Seems poor show if true and potentially illegal?
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oh for those old days when roger was in charge.Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PearlJam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 November 2017 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Just had a word from a friend close to Gloucester and apparently the WRU have offered Ross two different NDCs. One for the Dragons and one for the Scarlets BUT the offer is a lot more if he goes to the Dragons. Poor show if that is the case as it's not considering what is best for the player.

This isn't true, not to belittle your contact, but effectively our offer is a sub-market price contract (as the market price is the highest offer) and therefore isn't going to be taken up by anyway. It just wouldn't happen as it's absurd.

Not even the stupidest moron in the WRU could concoct that one, thankfully. 



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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

oh for those old days when roger was in charge.Wink

Is he still at Cardiff Airport? (Trolley Dolly ? LOL)   its all very quiet from him these days -thankfully!
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this is the whole reason that the WRU owning one of four regions is untenable unfair and frankly unbelievable only in Wales you are rewarded for failure and hampered if you are successful.
The Dragons are a disgrace always have been and are a huge drain on WRU resources without giving anything back. It's not going to change it's in the interest of WRU for them to be succesful at expense of the other regions.
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this is the whole reason that the WRU owning one of four regions is untenable unfair and frankly unbelievable only in Wales you are rewarded for failure and hampered if you are successful.
The Dragons are a disgrace always have been and are a huge drain on WRU resources without giving anything back. It's not going to change it's in the interest of WRU for them to be succesful at expense of the other regions.

  Agree with all of the above a reward for failure, and would not be at all surprised if these claims are true

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Whether true or not, given the scale of possible conflicts of interest with the WRU owning 1 region but being mandated to represent fairly and equitably all 4, then it always has had all the hallmarks of a decent soap opera this.

Can't see how it can end well.

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Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

But the Drags one would be alot more because it would be a NDC and the Drags contribution. For us it would just be the NDC. Our contract would be separate. Or would it?

We're going to pay Moriarty alot ourselves so one really wouldnt expect the Drags (=WRU) to pay alot more than us before the NDC. But it is certainly wrong and against various contract laws that the WRU might have information as to what we are bidding when they (=Drags) also are bidding. I'm currently tendering for some business and I would love to know what the opposition is tendering- as they no doubt would love to know what I am doing. 
Don't think it works like that. WRU negotiate the full contract & the region agree to pay 40%. I cannot see that what has been reported i.e. WRU offering Moriarty two separate NDC's depending on which region he joins would be allowable within the regional game. I fully understand that the Dragons are less attractive to returning Wales players but that is not the fault of the Scarlets. This suggests that the WRU are hell bent on attempting to level out the -playing strengths of all regions instead of allowing excellence to flourish.

All regions should have the same WRU funding & they cannot show bias to any region regardless of ownership. I think it is probably time that NDC's were scrapped and the central monies saved put back into the equally shared pot. Regions must stand or fall by the quality of their management.
 
I agree hence why I have posted it. Comes from a usually reliable source who is very close to everything Gloucester. Seems poor show if true and potentially illegal?
This can only have happened with the Scarlets' knowledge. We have to sign up to fund the 60%. Ross's agent would simply let us know about the higher bid, as well.

Which is why I find it hard to believe sorry Supertaf.
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it
They pay some of the money in line with the amount of players called up, which is fair - and good for us at the moment.
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it


That's too simple.
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Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it
Yeah but this is Welsh rugby we don't do simple
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Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it
Yeah but this is Welsh rugby we don't do simple
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Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Why cant the wru just share the £ equally between the 4 regions amd state that it must be used for wq players simple that isnt it


That's too simple.


Far too simple and doesn’t allow the WRU to be self important. Dual contracts will always be imbalanced unless an equal amount of money is allocated to each region.
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If this is true, i find it unbelievable and a discrace. Regardless of the fact that the WRU have complete ownership of the dragons, they should not be able to offer more money to a player to join the dragons over another region.
If the deal on the table is greater to join the dragons in total (that’s 100% funded by the WRU, not 60/40) then that must mean that the Scarlets have an evaluation of Moriarty that is considerably less than that of the WRU, or the WRU are hell bent on stocking the dragons with players that may not necessarily want to be there, but will have to go there in order to be selected for Wales - which I’m sure that a legal person would make mincemeat out of.
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