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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

A real value proposition if we could land him.

I'm a fan of a mature squad profile, but acknowledge that having our 3 first choice centers at 32 or older by this season end isn't ideal.

Having said that, it's also not ideal to have them all way with Team Wales either!

No, but if I understood right, we won't be paying our Wales players - and they would be available for the 'big' games.

Only AWJ is paid 100% by WRU. But he is on a strict 10 game a season MAX as I understood it to try and guide him through to the next world cup.

Regions will pay 20% of a contract of an elite player - but this is on an annual basis. there will be points when a player wont be in the elite squad so his wages will then be taken fully on by the region.
 
would the wru want their 3 front line centres at the one region?
 
pros and cons (all 3 get a rest but then again at least 1 misses out on the big games)
 
The other issue is all 3 are away with team wales at the same time
 
Then again will parkes be part of team wales after the next 12 months, top player and top bloke but his body looks to be giving up on him and injuries/  pace could be an issue
 
 
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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

A real value proposition if we could land him.

I'm a fan of a mature squad profile, but acknowledge that having our 3 first choice centers at 32 or older by this season end isn't ideal.

Having said that, it's also not ideal to have them all way with Team Wales either!

No, but if I understood right, we won't be paying our Wales players - and they would be available for the 'big' games.

Only AWJ is paid 100% by WRU. But he is on a strict 10 game a season MAX as I understood it to try and guide him through to the next world cup.

Regions will pay 20% of a contract of an elite player - but this is on an annual basis. there will be points when a player wont be in the elite squad so his wages will then be taken fully on by the region.

That's a bit depressing and naiveif they really think AWJ at 35 will be the best option at 2nd row than any other prospects over the next 4 years for wales.
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Can't see AWJ at the next World Cup - he will have a real go at making captain for the S.Africa Lions and then he'll retire. 
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agree GPR, its lions and I am sure finished then. we have to remember that both foxey and hadleigh are now in their 30's and both have not got long left in their careers.
if Tompkins becomes available we would be stupid not to go for him, guy is quality
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Yes we can go for Tompkins.We can just as easily start picking Baldwin.
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Yes, give Baldin a good run at 13 before splashing out on another 13 who has no connection with the region. Looking a little further into the future I'm more worried about the pack, particularly the tight forwards. We always seem to produce loose forwards and hookers, but recently Scarlets U18 have been hammered by Blues U18 as were Coleg Sir Gar by Coleg y Cymoedd, both apparently due to the backs having very little ball. Now we should still have Wyn and Rob (when not with Wales and injury free) for a few more years, as goes for Tex, Lousi and Ball, but I believe, that our main recruitment drive should be centred on an additional top class tighthead and a ball carrying second row.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Can't see AWJ at the next World Cup - he will have a real go at making captain for the S.Africa Lions and then he'll retire. 
same here
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 We need to sign Tompkins,use Baldwin at 13 also,with Asquith,Steff Hughes and youngsters in Osian Knott and Joe Roberts, we then have core of far younger options.

      With Foxy and Parkes in there 30s now there limited availability is a worry ,with increasing  injuries and International calls .

   We need to bring in a quality experienced tight head .With regard our tight five forwards,we have the following all under 21,props Kemsley Mathias ,O, Connor Brothers,hookers Dom Booth,Morgan Macrae and locks Morgan Jones and Jac Price .
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Parkes and Foxy - both don't have much more than 1 more season in them for Wales in my view. Tompkins will probably go to the Ospreys before us, though. We're still well stocked at centre, even if we don't have the right balance. Can see Parkes and Foxy playing for us until 2023 - not much room for Tompkins to fit in during that time given Steff Hughes, Baldwin, and the fact we probably want to keep Asquith around long term.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PE SA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 January 2020 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

A real value proposition if we could land him.

I'm a fan of a mature squad profile, but acknowledge that having our 3 first choice centers at 32 or older by this season end isn't ideal.

Having said that, it's also not ideal to have them all way with Team Wales either!

No, but if I understood right, we won't be paying our Wales players - and they would be available for the 'big' games.

Only AWJ is paid 100% by WRU. But he is on a strict 10 game a season MAX as I understood it to try and guide him through to the next world cup.

Regions will pay 20% of a contract of an elite player - but this is on an annual basis. there will be points when a player wont be in the elite squad so his wages will then be taken fully on by the region.
 
would the wru want their 3 front line centres at the one region?
it would be up to the player. we can put in a bid just like the others, but even Blues can have 3 Wales centres with Halaholo, Lane still looked at as a 13 long term...likewise, Ospreys, They have Watkin and Scott and the 2 u20s lads coming through...Scarlets have 2 internationals who are likely not to be around by next world cup. Tompkins could strike up a parternship with Baldwin which would bring Baldwin on as well. so I dont think 3 front line centres is an issue. next season he and Parkes are 32 and will need to be managed a lot more than Tompkins who will be 25.
 
pros and cons (all 3 get a rest but then again at least 1 misses out on the big games)
Plenty of games through the season. Plenty of big games. who plays in the finals...whoever is in form and available. lets not forget Foxy has had 2 or 3 season ending injuries in as many seasons and a body thats getting older meaning recovery period is getting longer.
 
The other issue is all 3 are away with team wales at the same time
There is is that, but we have had an entire front row and bench prop away with Wales last few years - all renewed deals. 

Then again will parkes be part of team wales after the next 12 months, top player and top bloke but his body looks to be giving up on him and injuries/  pace could be an issue.
valid point.
 
 
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Lane's an out and out winger for me. Not sure we can consider Scott a Welsh international anymore given he's missed out on, what, the last 3 full Wales camps if you exclude the warm up games? Would love for him to come back but in spite of him only just turning 29. looks like he might retire at a similar time to Parkes and Foxy at this stage. He's 'fit', yet he's not been selected over Owen Williams. Ospreys looking most likely I think. Watkin 12/13 Tompkins 12/13, versatile, depends where they go. Or, Haloholo 12, Tompkins 13. Can't see Tompkins moving for next season from the European and English champions - where he isn't starting games when everyones available - to sit outside the matchday 23 at the Scarlets. He'll move where he can start straight away, and that's not the Scarlets this season/next season. Unless we get rid of Parkes.


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Originally posted by miaow miaow wrote:

Lane's an out and out winger for me. Not sure we can consider Scott a Welsh international anymore given he's missed out on, what, the last 3 full Wales camps if you exclude the warm up games? Would love for him to come back but in spite of him only just turning 29. looks like he might retire at a similar time to Parkes and Foxy at this stage. He's 'fit', yet he's not been selected over Owen Williams. Ospreys looking most likely I think. Watkin 12/13 Tompkins 12/13, versatile, depends where they go. Or, Haloholo 12, Tompkins 13. Can't see Tompkins moving for next season from the European and English champions - where he isn't starting games when everyones available - to sit outside the matchday 23 at the Scarlets. He'll move where he can start straight away, and that's not the Scarlets this season/next season. Unless we get rid of Parkes.


Tompkins would have an excellent chance of being first choice if he joined the Scarlets. I’m baffled by your logic at times 
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I would just like to see Cory given a run at 13 with Steff at 12 through the six nations see where we go from there.
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I’d take Tompkins over Parkes tbh 2 ageing centres passed their best now I think.
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Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

I would just like to see Cory given a run at 13 with Steff at 12 through the six nations see where we go from there.
Yep that’s the pairing I want too
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GPR - Rochester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 January 2020 at 7:59am
The problem with waiting to see how Asquith, Steff & hopefully Baldwin get on is that now is the time to get your squad together for next season. Guys like Carre & Tompkins are in very unusual circumstances where their current employers may well welcome enquiries for them despite their having a few years left on their contracts. Now is the time to strike particularly if Tompkins gets capped. 

As for his chances of getting gametime for us I would not think that a problem. He and Baldwin would make a very good pairing & Hadleigh/Foxy will be able to get plenty of rest/recuperation. Sadly Scott, whilst fit, is not it seems as fit as he would like. He has problems with recurring back pain which could be linked to his hamstring issues. I hope he can regain that ability to go flat out week after week as he has been one of the best centres I have had the pleasure to watch at PYS.
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