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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aber-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 December 2020 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

I think the refs should penalise players for the hollering and shouting in oppositions faces after winning a turnover or scrum penalty. Unfortunately Rob Evans is one of worst at this as is Itoje find the behaviour unsportsmanlike and childlike.

Fair comment.

Why don't we go back to one of the better ways of dealing with insubordination from the olden days - if anyone disagrees with a decision in a clearly offensive way, march them back 10 yards - or metres. If anyone 'over-celebrates' in a clearly offensive way, meant to wind up the opposition - reverse the decision.

That would sort out this behaviour pretty quickly, I think.
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Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....
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I add to the list the patronising and provocative  “ Tap on the head’ by the opposition for a player who drops the ball; slips in the scrum or gets turned over . Really annoys me as again it often leads to aggro and more pushing and shoving! The game is being strangled ( if you pardon the pun) by stoppages and TMO referrals. I watched the Glaws Quins game yesterday and the referrals took ages of time. 
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....

I'd say - within the play (no breaks) - BUT in case of endless phases, the NFL 'flag' method occurs during play - so if that was adopted, TMOs could immediately start looking, and come up with a decision maybe even before the ball goes dead.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....

I'd say - within the play (no breaks) - BUT in case of endless phases, the NFL 'flag' method occurs during play - so if that was adopted, TMOs could immediately start looking, and come up with a decision maybe even before the ball goes dead.

I had a quick google of the flag system & I didn't realise there was an actual flag thrown LOL I like it! 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....

I'd say - within the play (no breaks) - BUT in case of endless phases, the NFL 'flag' method occurs during play - so if that was adopted, TMOs could immediately start looking, and come up with a decision maybe even before the ball goes dead.

I had a quick google of the flag system & I didn't realise there was an actual flag thrown LOL I like it! 

It has its advantages, but as far as I know there isn't a limit (?) - which might lead to even more stoppages - which is why I like the cricket idea of limiting the number of challenges... then people will only challenge decisions which really matter.


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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....

I'd say - within the play (no breaks) - BUT in case of endless phases, the NFL 'flag' method occurs during play - so if that was adopted, TMOs could immediately start looking, and come up with a decision maybe even before the ball goes dead.

I had a quick google of the flag system & I didn't realise there was an actual flag thrown LOL I like it! 

It has its advantages, but as far as I know there isn't a limit (?) - which might lead to even more stoppages - which is why I like the cricket idea of limiting the number of challenges... then people will only challenge decisions which really matter.

We are, or seem to be, moving to VAR territory in rugby where it feels every try is checked now before the conversion can take place...
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Disagreeing with the ref is a part of life for us supporters...

I wonder if we should consider removing any temptation to challenge decisions from the players. In the NFL, decisions can be challenged by a 'flag' thrown onto the pitch; in cricket, players are allowed up to 3 challenges per session (I think). 

Some sort of middle way between these systems could see coaches given the right to make (say) up to 3 challenges per half - either immediately, or when a try is 'scored' without a break in play following a contentious decision. (This would have led to the Biggar  tackle-in-air try ruled out, I think). It would also speed things up overall - if refs are relieved from dealing with Biggar himself, or half the Irish squad, or Richie of Scotland, bitching away, with only the coaches (with the benefit of their own laptop replays) able to intervene, then pointless complaints would cease and only those with merit, or very borderline decisions which actually matter, would be looked at.

I like that but you'd have to limit how far back you can go in play....

I'd say - within the play (no breaks) - BUT in case of endless phases, the NFL 'flag' method occurs during play - so if that was adopted, TMOs could immediately start looking, and come up with a decision maybe even before the ball goes dead.

I had a quick google of the flag system & I didn't realise there was an actual flag thrown LOL I like it! 

It has its advantages, but as far as I know there isn't a limit (?) - which might lead to even more stoppages - which is why I like the cricket idea of limiting the number of challenges... then people will only challenge decisions which really matter.

We are, or seem to be, moving to VAR territory in rugby where it feels every try is checked now before the conversion can take place...

Yes, that is a risk. Too much delay will be hard to put up with... mind you, I think (cynically) that a lot of breaks are actually deliberately built in to USA sport, to allow for the (lucrative) ad breaks... and presumably the supporters go for a beer, or a wee...
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I add to the list the patronising and provocative  “ Tap on the head’ by the opposition for a player who drops the ball; slips in the scrum or gets turned over . Really annoys me as again it often leads to aggro and more pushing and shoving! The game is being strangled ( if you pardon the pun) by stoppages and TMO referrals. I watched the Glaws Quins game yesterday and the referrals took ages of time. 


Mike Brown did that to Scott when Underhill dragged him in to touch whilst sliding over a couple of seasons ago.

We still talk about it now. I wouldn't have had Scott's restrained response, that's for sure!
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Appealing to the ref for yellows, massive whopping when the ref pings for you in the scrum. Awful developments of the modern game.

The hard thing for many here is that, certainly in my playing days anyways, if anyone carried on holding on to me 5-10 yds away from and after the contact point, a clip or a biff in the chops would be a reasonable response, almost expected, and certainly deserved.

Seen these cited and ignored. Who knows.

Fair comment - that Italian took North out miles from the ball - something that happens far too often nowadays, without being picked up by the  refs or assistants. North's 'retaliation' looked pretty flimsy - he may have pulled back on any power delivered - and the reaction from the Italian was a bit pitiful, TBH.

It shouldn't lead to any citing, IMO, given the 'lack of power' (© Irish TMOs) being applied.

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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I add to the list the patronising and provocative  “ Tap on the head’ by the opposition for a player who drops the ball; slips in the scrum or gets turned over . Really annoys me as again it often leads to aggro and more pushing and shoving! The game is being strangled ( if you pardon the pun) by stoppages and TMO referrals. I watched the Glaws Quins game yesterday and the referrals took ages of time. 


Mike Brown did that to Scott when Underhill dragged him in to touch whilst sliding over a couple of seasons ago.

We still talk about it now. I wouldn't have had Scott's restrained response, that's for sure!

I remember it well. A big part of me really wanted to see Scott sort that guy out regardless of cards. Brown is one of the worst types of play actors. 
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Anyone remember a few seasons ago (maybe more than a few), the Ref's Assistant made a mistake in flagging touch when the ball was still in play and made up an exuse as to why he had flagged and caused the ref to stop the game - his excuse was that one of our players had shouted. Smile

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On a side note , North just made the world team of the decade alongside some very esteemed company 
 
 
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Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I add to the list the patronising and provocative  “ Tap on the head’ by the opposition for a player who drops the ball; slips in the scrum or gets turned over . Really annoys me as again it often leads to aggro and more pushing and shoving! The game is being strangled ( if you pardon the pun) by stoppages and TMO referrals. I watched the Glaws Quins game yesterday and the referrals took ages of time. 
 
Rugby lge have started to penalise players who tap the opposition on the head after they making an error
 
They did it a twice in the wigan vs hull play off game, I hope we follow  their lead it has no part in the game
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Yep. Saw that. Good.
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