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Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew Cardey Matthew Cardey wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew Cardey Matthew Cardey wrote:

Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

If you call Toulouse a chequebook team then virtually all professional teams are!! Especially in France. It is not as if they bought their way to success - they were pretty much always one of the best French teams and one of the best European teams prior to the game going professional


Not sure what the situation has been like for the last 1 or 2 years, but every year before then they had the highest wage bill of any rugby team in the world since the game turned professional.


Sigh. No they didn't. They had the highest budget. Which means they were the best performing team in world rugby at getting income / revenue.

Toulouse are no more of a checkbook [sic] team than the scarlets.


Sigh. Absolute nonsense, id argue that they are more of a checkbook team because they import more of their players than we do. Most of their most celebrated players such as picamoles,vincent clerc,florian fritz, huget, nyanga, duautoir, beuxis,bru, heymans, ( the list goes on and on) are not from toulouse, they were poached by a rather large checkbook!


Whereas most of ours are from Dafen, right?


No, but the Scarlets Academy is still prolific, far more so than almost any other pro rugby team in Europe.   Look at the team that beat Edinburgh last week: Jonathan Davies, Steff Evans, Aled Davies, Wyn Jones, Ryan Elias, Samson Lee, Aaron Shingler, James Davies, Will Boyde, Emyr Phillips, Rob Evans, Gareth Davies, Dan Jones.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39346678


While that's admirable and crucial for us, I still don't think it's right to dismiss teams as chequebook teams just because they've adapted to professionalism very well and rake in huge revenue streams.

Leinster are one of the biggest "chequebook" teams around. They had a lock crisis one year so signed an all black for about 4 games.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Why Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 March 2017 at 3:15pm
It's a question of needs must we can't afford to pay biggest wages we tried that and it almost killed us. We do however seem to have a better system than most for bringing on local talent.
Having said that if we could afford it I'm sure we would be in for top players.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew Cardey Matthew Cardey wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew Cardey Matthew Cardey wrote:

Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

If you call Toulouse a chequebook team then virtually all professional teams are!! Especially in France. It is not as if they bought their way to success - they were pretty much always one of the best French teams and one of the best European teams prior to the game going professional


Not sure what the situation has been like for the last 1 or 2 years, but every year before then they had the highest wage bill of any rugby team in the world since the game turned professional.


Sigh. No they didn't. They had the highest budget. Which means they were the best performing team in world rugby at getting income / revenue.

Toulouse are no more of a checkbook [sic] team than the scarlets.


Sigh. Absolute nonsense, id argue that they are more of a checkbook team because they import more of their players than we do. Most of their most celebrated players such as picamoles,vincent clerc,florian fritz, huget, nyanga, duautoir, beuxis,bru, heymans, ( the list goes on and on) are not from toulouse, they were poached by a rather large checkbook!


Whereas most of ours are from Dafen, right?


No, but the Scarlets Academy is still prolific, far more so than almost any other pro rugby team in Europe.   Look at the team that beat Edinburgh last week: Jonathan Davies, Steff Evans, Aled Davies, Wyn Jones, Ryan Elias, Samson Lee, Aaron Shingler, James Davies, Will Boyde, Emyr Phillips, Rob Evans, Gareth Davies, Dan Jones.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39346678


While that's admirable and crucial for us, I still don't think it's right to dismiss teams as chequebook teams just because they've adapted to professionalism very well and rake in huge revenue streams.

Leinster are one of the biggest "chequebook" teams around. They had a lock crisis one year so signed an all black for about 4 games.

Its the usual question - how much identity has a squad with the team/region they represent. It is totally wrong to describe Leinster as a chequebook team as they have a large majority of home grown talent, developed in their academy. The problem associated with the French teams is that they have moved away from relying on developing their own squads to funding galacticos squads. They have been allowed to do this as the ruling body have been slow to instill quotas & their huge TV deal gives them access to funding. 

Many Aviva teams are now following that model and teams like Leicester who used to be packed with homegrown talent find themselves having to throw money at expensive overseas signings to keep pace with Wasps & Saracens. Despite the TV deal I see it ending in tears. Saracens debts appear to be unsustainable topping £40+ million. The RFU are a little two faced as they, on the one hand, refuse to consider anyone playing outside England while on the other hand rush to cap South Sea Islanders who have no more affinity to the Red Rose than being happy to pick up the 22k per match fee. The attempt by World Rugby to make the South Sea Islands professional rugby more sustainable locally is a long overdue initiative.

If there was a dramatic reduction in the availability of South Sea Island talent combined with strict residency rules - 7-10 years & a club like Saracens going bust then we may see some sense returning to our beloved game. 
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Comparing them with is a different matter but sounds like most understand they are no more of a cheque book club than most other top teams + as I said, unlike some sides, they have but used money to become a top​ club as they were that anyway ( so less of a cheque book side than many in that respect)
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Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Comparing them with is a different matter but sounds like most understand they are no more of a cheque book club than most other top teams + as I said, unlike some sides, they have but used money to become a top​ club as they were that anyway ( so less of a cheque book side than many in that respect)


Genuine question: How does a side become a top side in an ideal world?
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Its the usual question - how much identity has a squad with the team/region they represent.


Ask the Toulon fans how much they still identify with their rugby team.

Quote It is totally wrong to describe Leinster as a chequebook team as they have a large majority of home grown talent, developed in their academy. The problem associated with the French teams is that they have moved away from relying on developing their own squads to funding galacticos squads. They have been allowed to do this as the ruling body have been slow to instill quotas & their huge TV deal gives them access to funding. 


They still have quotas. They're just clever with them. Like Delon Armitage counting as a non foreign player etc.

Quote Many Aviva teams are now following that model and teams like Leicester who used to be packed with homegrown talent find themselves having to throw money at expensive overseas signings to keep pace with Wasps & Saracens. Despite the TV deal I see it ending in tears. Saracens debts appear to be unsustainable topping £40+ million.


It's only unsutainable if the debt is called on them. People just seem to not understand the way professional sports club operate.

Manchester Utd are HALF A BILLION pounds in debt. Are they unsustainable too?

Quote The RFU are a little two faced as they, on the one hand, refuse to consider anyone playing outside England while on the other hand rush to cap South Sea Islanders who have no more affinity to the Red Rose than being happy to pick up the 22k per match fee. The attempt by World Rugby to make the South Sea Islands professional rugby more sustainable locally is a long overdue initiative.

If there was a dramatic reduction in the availability of South Sea Island talent combined with strict residency rules - 7-10 years & a club like Saracens going bust then we may see some sense returning to our beloved game. 


Saracens aren't going to go bust in the next few years. And wishing them to, is a little bad taste to be honest.

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Anyway, what a game that was.

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Wow just watched it. Made my night again. 100% committment by the team and bags of skill.
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Sad to say but if you put either of those teams against any but the very worst of modern day professional teams they'd lose. The difference in size, power and defensive organisation in 10 years is astounding and rugby is by far the worse for it.
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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:



Leinster are one of the biggest "chequebook" teams around. They had a lock crisis one year so signed an all black for about 4 games.


And let Tadhg go......Big smile

And Leicester brought in Brad Thorn for a bit of a season

And let Tom go.......Big smile


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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sad to say but if you put either of those teams against any but the very worst of modern day professional teams they'd lose. The difference in size, power and defensive organisation in 10 years is astounding and rugby is by far the worse for it.

Why are you bemoaning an improvement in standards?
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Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:



Leinster are one of the biggest "chequebook" teams around. They had a lock crisis one year so signed an all black for about 4 games.


And let Tadhg go......Big smile

And Leicester brought in Brad Thorn for a bit of a season

And let Tom go.......Big smile


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Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Anyway, what a game that was. 

Superb.. Thanks for posting up. 

What a night it was. Great decision from SG & co to keep the QF at Stradey and not to fully capitalise on half the population of Munster wanting tickets. Still can feel the goosebumps from the first rendition of Fields of Athenry through to final whistle. Really thought we had our name on the HC.... Haven't eaten Walkers crisps since...
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Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sad to say but if you put either of those teams against any but the very worst of modern day professional teams they'd lose. The difference in size, power and defensive organisation in 10 years is astounding and rugby is by far the worse for it.


Why are you bemoaning an improvement in standards?
Who says there's been an improvement in standards? That's such a modern way of thinking which boils down to
Size x gym work - amount of mistakes = quality of the player.
Personally I see the bigger size of players and the emphasis on defence before attack making rugby a less enjoyable game to watch.
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Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sad to say but if you put either of those teams against any but the very worst of modern day professional teams they'd lose. The difference in size, power and defensive organisation in 10 years is astounding and rugby is by far the worse for it.

Why are you bemoaning an improvement in standards?

Think about it, it's obvious...
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