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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!



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Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

FWIW, I think the board and Nigel have done a fantastic job raising revenues and building a competitive squad and coaching team. We're undoubtedly the best in Wales at generating non-benefactor income, and the benefactors do an excellent job as well. Hell, Nigel came within a whisker of taking over the best of the Ospreys' squad and a chink of their funding a couple of months ago!

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Our Vision as a rugby club is to be the best - or it should be. It's that simple.

Everything else is almost irrelevant. Nothing else the club does can come close to the league run in in 2017 or last season's Toulon and La Rochelle games. 

You have to be in the KO stages of competitions to generate big crowds and big atmospheres. 

The 'best' by what metric?

Revenue?
Profit?
Trophies?
Games won?
Attendances?
Developing home grown talent?
Most songs?

Saracens win but don't fill 10,000 every week
Exeter turn a profit but they can't get out the European group stages
Clermont don't always win, but can create a big atmosphere every week

Comparing it to soccer, Real Madrid are 'the best' club by European trophies, but a famously bad atmosphere around the club. Would you rather be like like Chelsea FC or Borussia Dortmund etc. 

I think that's the point of this thread - everyone wants to win. But how should the Scarlets win?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 12:36am
Originally posted by PritchyTheScarlet PritchyTheScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Great feed, I thought it'd be good to capture a range of views on this as it had also been on my mind.

Here's a short survey that i'd love posters to fill out if you've got an opinion!


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Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"
That's the Scarlets, its in their DNA.
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I'd like to get to the stage where we aren't seen as 'punching above our weight' when we do well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr_martinov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"

Nail. Head. Bosh. These are exactly the things that make me proud to be a Scarlet. You know what, I think you'd do a blydi good job as club PR/regional ambassador Rob. 
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Filled in the survey - interesting questions.  My attempt at a vision is....

"A family orientated club, mixing home grown talent with a few excellent talented, creative players from around the world to produce an exiting team that consistently performs and entertains at the top table of world club rugby"

Nail. Head. Bosh. These are exactly the things that make me proud to be a Scarlet. You know what, I think you'd do a blydi good job as club PR/regional ambassador Rob. 
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The pillars that underpin our business, and that we need ( in fact most entities need) we generally have, but, they aren't all the same height, and some are made of a more durable material than others...!

1)
-A (sustainable) physical asset base aligned to our aspiration ( stadium, training facilities, debt linked to the asset etc)...9/10

2)
-An income stream that aligns to our on field aspiration...split in to two really....things that we control alone, and things that are governed by others..
ALONE
-Match day experiences - 7/10
-Sponsors and sponsorship - 6/10
-Replica and merchandise - 4/10 ( supporters view only..)

GOVERNANCE LIES WITH OTHERS
-TV revenue 3/10
-competition funding 4/10
-NDC or it's derivatives 6/10

3)
Player development pathway or talent development- 7/10

4)
Player retention ( affordability ) - 8/10

5)
Quality and focus of the business,coaching and on field leadership - 9/10


There's a host of smaller, but still quite important challenges or KPI's of course, but I think these are the main ones.

It's the nature of any business that not all the cylinder's of they business are firing on all cylinders at the same time too of course.

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Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?
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Originally posted by pillory pillory wrote:

Surprised at this, to be honest.
It felt like the board gave Pivac and Co a very clear mandate for style of play, as well as playing targets.
It is evident that the organisation feels a strong sense of community within the wider region is critical.
And it is clear they believe respect for past accomplishments and the importance of continuity in all the above is important.

If none of this is clear on the outside, perhaps it is more a communication job that needs to be done than a substantive one?
Your absolutely right and I think it is clear. 
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A very valid and interesting thread. It is very true that our history is extremely important to us & will continue to be so. However when it comes to attracting & keeping players how big a part does it play?Look at Saracens for example. They are serial winners and that is what attracted Liam for instance. Apparently the sums offered were pretty similar. 

Saracens do not have the proud history that we have or indeed the role of honour of previous players so how do we maximise this important aspect of the Scarlets. Added to that is the fact that Munster apart we have the most vociferous travelling support base in the UK/Ireland. That history will have played a part in attracting Bard Mooar for instance but its strength is far more in inspiring our young local players who are & will in the future be the lifeblood of our club. Our focus is and should be redoubled in fast tracking this talent. This focus will inevitably lead us to be described as punching above our weight when successes come - what is wrong with that? It is true financially even compared to the Irish regions. 

How many of us on here would happily swap our lot for say Saracens? Would we be happy if we were to find a benefactor who was prepared to underwrite debts of £50-60 million which would allow us to attract International players from all over the World. My response to my question would be no way. 

We are all very disappointed in how this season has panned out - of course I get it. The basic facts are there for all to see - a crippling injury list which has robbed us of some of most influential players for most/large parts of the season - Aaron, Cubby, Blade, Casseim, Jake, Patchell & Halfpenny. Even the mighty Saracens would struggle a little without say the Vunipolas, Itoje, Farrell, Liam & Goode. Added to that availability issue it is pretty clear that the coaching staff have been well below par as well. One thing is for sure - this club are in good hands, people who understand our issues & have plans to rectify the problems. We will be back!!!!!


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Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.
but they have been able to keep all the Irish internationals even as 2nd or 3rd choice players due to that lovely tax refund they get after 10 years. Add that sum in the mix, they are probably spending more than the English. Add to that the IRFU own the players. Not sure how much wages leinster spend but in that sum the likes of sexton are not included as they are paid by the union.
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Possibly two different branches being discussed which reinforce each other, good times and bad:
1. Performance, player recruitment/retention, style of play and ultimately coach selection
2. Matchday experience and fan engagement, club history and branding

Are we talking more about point 1, the "on the pitch" one, here? 


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Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Originally posted by Speedy Speedy wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't really know how you can expect some sort of dominance from any team out of Wales. When your budget is 1 quarter of most french and english teams, getting out of the group stages is a feat in itself. 


Leinster have dominated europe on much less than the French and English.
but they have been able to keep all the Irish internationals even as 2nd or 3rd choice players due to that lovely tax refund they get after 10 years. Add that sum in the mix, they are probably spending more than the English. Add to that the IRFU own the players. Not sure how much wages leinster spend but in that sum the likes of sexton are not included as they are paid by the union.
It's totally inaccurate to say Leinster have been successful on much less money than the French and English sides.
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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