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Pivac is Gatland's successor - Announced

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O gara as attack coach? So kick as kick some more with getting some bulldozing forwards? That wol list is poo, would only be happy with stevo or Lancaster from it. Pivac I honestly believe would have gone after this season anyway so we won't be missing out here and 100% wouldn't have left early for money. Best coach we've had and managed to turn it all around legend. #pivacout!
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Originally posted by LacksDrive LacksDrive wrote:

Hi guys new member here... not specifically a Scarlets fan (more a Wales fan who follows all four regions religiously) but have been continuously gob smacked by the Scarlets, over the last two seasons in particular.

As frustrating as it is to finally feel like you have the perfect coach only to have him snatched away by your National Union, I cant help but feel it really could have been worse. If the WRU had looked elsewhere, you would have to assume a club with more financial clout would have come in for Wayne during the coming season. At least this way the Scarlets have time to prepare.

As for possible replacements (& assuming Stephen Jones goes with him... if not he’s a shoe-in), this is exciting times for the region and I reckon that a lot of established coaches could be purring at the opportunity regardless of the financial constraints (when compared to French, English and even Irish sides). I personally think that if Stuart Lancaster can be tempted (no easy task) that it would be a real solid appointment. Dai Young always brings a solidity but I don’t think that is necessarily what the Scarlets are after right now (though he would probably bring his boy). Think Kieran Crowley at Benetton is a good coach that no one is talking about (& with good experience of the league)...

But my favourite option would be to go get Mike Ruddock. Well aware of his past with Swansea (as well as the dressing room revolt with Wales) but he’s a fine coach. A fine Welsh Coach, something that is very rare and with the current situation in regards to all four regions having imports at Head Coach... it would be nice to bring him back.

I would be interested to hear what some Scalets fans first (Wales fans second) think of Ruddock as an option?
Personally I think Ruddock has been out of top level coaching for too long
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote LacksDrive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2018 at 11:38am
Fair comment, regardless of level though he had as successful a season as has ever been achieved in Ireland last year.

There are going to be some interesting rumours about this post over the next year, just hope that the right guy is selected to carry on the development. The Scarlets have simply played some of the best rugby I have ever seen of late (particularly the Ospreys, Leinster & Munster games at the tail end of 2017), the wrong option could do so much damage... relatively speaking.
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Weeks ago when it was first reported that Pivac had held informal talks with the WRU he said that there had been succession planning in regards to who would take over from him.  I'm going to assume that it is done through Pivac wanting someone to continue his good work and what the board can offer the new candidate.  Will the WRU be able to throw its influence in or will they allow us to make our own choice?!
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No matter the coaching credentials, the new coach has to be a good man manager. That's what has made the real difference to the Scarlets, the attitude and culture that Pivac has nurtured. He's been a breath of fresh air in that respect. 
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Wales online have put together ‘a list’ of potential candidates...

Stephen Jones
Simon Easterby
Phil Davies
Tana Umaga
Stuart Lancaster
Shaun Edwards
Dwayne Peel
Filo Tiatia
Ronan O’Gara

Does anyone get paid for writing this level of journalism?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tim Opolis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2018 at 1:59pm
Originally posted by dantheman dantheman wrote:

Big shame for the Scarlets but inevitable I guess.

As for replacements, wouldn't surprise me to see Paul Feeney pretty high up the list. Replaced Pivac as Head Coach of Auckland, now currently backs coach at the Stormers. Reputation for attacking rugby and Pivac will know him well.
 
The most feasible suggestion ive seen so far in this thread. You're right, he arranged to train against the Stormers on tour last season, or at least that was his plan as he said he knew a coach there. If Feeney is keen on a move north then he certainly would have had the nod early. Sort out your former club and a mate in one fell swoop. Don't know how good he is mind, but as a theory its sound.
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Sounds logical... just read up on Feeney a bit and Pivac does seem to like and respect the guy a great deal. There is of course the possibility that he could make up part of Wayne’s future Wales back room staff also.
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Eddie Jones will need a job around summer 2019 I imagine ...
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I just think we have to throw everything at Stevo to get him to stay, put a career plan in for him where he is contracted up until the next world cup, with the view of him then taking over from Pivac at Wales. At the end of the day it will be whether or not Steve see's himself as a specialist attack coach or a head coach. If he see's himself as a head coach then surely this is a bit of a dream ticket for him to build his name as a successful head coach. If he see's himself as an attack coach the Wales job with Pivac will be the dream ticket.

Up until Stevo decides what he wants to do i don't think its worth speculating.
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Originally posted by CochynAberllefenni CochynAberllefenni wrote:

Weeks ago when it was first reported that Pivac had held informal talks with the WRU he said that there had been succession planning in regards to who would take over from him.  I'm going to assume that it is done through Pivac wanting someone to continue his good work and what the board can offer the new candidate.  Will the WRU be able to throw its influence in or will they allow us to make our own choice?!

Scarlets management will have been working on succession and recruitment plans already for months. Don't forget, Pivac is the manifestation of the Scarlets board in coach form, and undoubtedly he will be involved helping to identify and contact potential successors around the rugby world, using the same network that he used so effectively in finding superb playing talent for the squad.

But it will be Jon Daniels's job to land the next coaching team from July 2019, with 12 months to manage identify the right person and the luxury of a long transition with Pivac (& Co).

Important to recognise the role the WRU will play in this too - as well as potential contractual compensation (Wayne & Stephen are contracted to Scarlets till July 2020), Nigel Short will have bought lots of goodwill with the WRU, who can use their global reach & muscle to scout for replacements. It's great to see the union & pro teams working hand in glove, especially after the years of 'WRU v Welsh Rugby' warfare. Clap

It would be great to think that Stephen Jones would want to step up as Scarlets head coach to provide the perfect continuity and succession, but some of what was said in the interviews with Wayne and Jon after the presser makes me think that Stevo will be moving on to be Pivac's right-hand man in the WRU set-up. We really couldn't ask for a better situation to find a replacement, though.


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Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Eddie Jones will need a job around summer 2019 I imagine ...

Eddie could be available by this Christmas... Shocked


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Why does it matter if the new coach is Welsh?
We need the best man available.
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Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Why does it matter if the new coach is Welsh?
We need the best man available.

I'd honestly prefer it if we go to the Southern Hemisphere, to be more specific New Zealand again. They seem in tune with our ethos and how we play the game. Heaven sake a lot of what they do now is still based on our great Carwyn James. We tried the welsh root and jobs for the boys, it didn't work really and there are no stand out candidates in Wales, bar Stevo of course!!

People mentioning Mark Jones, Peel etc etc. Loved them as players, they do not have the credentials to coach us though. We are in a different league to where they are in their coaching careers. Any coach who comes to us needs to have demonstrated success on their CV. We are Pro14 runners up, Pro12 winners and European cup semi finalists we are not league also ran's and European group stage strugglers anymore, but the appointment of a coach without the relevant respect, ability and man management skills could yet see us return to those days!
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Huge congratulation to Wayne for sure, and I wish him all the very best when he takes over from Warren. ClapClapClapClap Pretty much everyone saw this coming with the success that Wayne has brought to the region and Warren stepping down after the World Cup, but with us having time to prepare for post Wayne, I'd like to think that we're now in a position to find the right fit for the role.

If we want to continue improving and fighting for silverware moving forwards, we need an experienced coach that can pick up from when Wayne leaves. It'll be a tough job for anyone coming in to fill Wayne's boots, but I'm confident that we can find the right candidate, and I hope that Wayne is involved in the recruitment process, and is involved in the hand-over process too. ClapClapClapClap 
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Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Why does it matter if the new coach is Welsh?
We need the best man available.

I'd honestly prefer it if we go to the Southern Hemisphere, to be more specific New Zealand again. They seem in tune with our ethos and how we play the game. Heaven sake a lot of what they do now is still based on our great Carwyn James. We tried the welsh root and jobs for the boys, it didn't work really and there are no stand out candidates in Wales, bar Stevo of course!!

People mentioning Mark Jones, Peel etc etc. Loved them as players, they do not have the credentials to coach us though. We are in a different league to where they are in their coaching careers. Any coach who comes to us needs to have demonstrated success on their CV. We are Pro14 runners up, Pro12 winners and European cup semi finalists we are not league also ran's and European group stage strugglers anymore, but the appointment of a coach without the relevant respect, ability and man management skills could yet see us return to those days!
Good post I feel exactly the same.
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