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    Posted: 20 April 2011 at 10:56am
Apparently.
 
Taken from Gwlad BTW with the comments left by good old PhilBB.
 
Originally Posted by A Llandovery Official
A very warm welcome is extended to everyone associated with Newport RFC for today's Principality Premiership as the season draws to a close.

Hopefully we will continue with our league fixtures with one of Wales's most famous clubs again next season - but who knows? - given the WRU's sudden and most dramatic shake up of the Premiership since the introduction of regional rugby in 2003.

It wasn't sudden. Cardiff RFC was telling its followers about this weeks and weeks ago

At last week's Millennium Stadium WRU presentation by Joe Lydon clubs were given an overview of the new proposals and then on Monday of this week the Premiership group of clubs voted overwhelmingly in favour of the reduction in the number of teams from fourteen down to ten.

The ten successful clubs will be chosen following their assessment in meeting new licensing criteria which is understood to include ground and spectator facilities, the submission of *match funding* business plans and a meritocracy formula in relation to each club's league position over the last six seasons.

Popular belief would suggest that teams like Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli, Swansea, Neath, Pontypridd and Aberavon are racing certainties, with the remaining three clubs being selected from the other seven teams along with possibly Bridgend, Newbridge or Ebbw Vale pending the outcome of the relegation and promotion playoffs.

Whilst we as a Club are safe in the knowledge that our facilities match
up to the current WRU standards [as we are one of the ten clubs who hold an *A* licence] (Bedwas, Carmarthen Quins, Pontypool and Glamorgan Wanderers being the four *B* licence holders) - which are necessary in order to be eligible for entry into the British & Irish Cup, nevertheless there is undoubtedly an element of uncertainty whether this will necessarily guarantee our place in the new ten team tier.

At the time of writing we are due to have talks with Scarlets supremo Gareth Jenkins this evening about the potential implications upon Llandovery and Carmarthen Quins, as it is considered unlikely that both of us will be in the new mix, given the fact that there is to be a minimum of two clubs and a maximum of four clubs per region.

On a personal view I believe that the fair and equitable split would be to provide three teams per region in a twelve team format. However the WRU insist that they do not have the additional £200k to enable this.

It is particularly difficult to swallow when the regions themselves splash out sums in excess of this figure on a single non-Welsh qualified player.

It is their money to do this, matey boy.


It is therefore questionable whether the WRU budget is being spent wisely, particularly given the results in the Heineken Cup to date (aye, because whining about high wages whilst the Welsh teams lose to those with bigger wage bills doesn't make you look like an idiot at all, does it?), whether the huge sums spent on such players

i.e. those who cannot represent Wales can be justified at the expense of funding two additional Clubs who contribute so much more to Welsh Rugby at all levels.

What marvellous arrogance to suggest that two junior clubs contribute "so much more to Welsh rugby". How are you measuring that? By your crowd levels? Your local appeal? Your success? And all of this without a single reference to the fact that much of the "WRU budget" is money generated by the four themselves and there's not even a nod towards the money the four generage by themselves.


For the £77k that we receive annually in funding by the WRU, in return we field a Premiership team who has been represented in the Premiership since its inception (indeed it is worth noting that since the introduction of the Heineken Leagues in 1990 we have been promoted through and up into the top tier and have never been relegated);

Marvellous. You're a small club in a Village League


we have won the Konica Minolta Cup in 2007 (one of only nine clubs to do so
in history);

There's been nine clubs who have won it since 2003? Don't try to align your club's achievement to what was needed to win it prior to 2003. That just shows a complete arrogance to claim post 2003 is the same as pre 2003.


we represented Wales in this season's British & Irish Cup competition and came within a whisker of qualifying as pool runners up when losing 20-19 at Ayr;

Woohooo. You lost to Ayr.


we reached the semi final of the Swalec Cup;

we supply an Athletic team which has won the league and cup three years
in succession, a Youth team which has once again reached the final of the County Cup, and children's age grade rugby through our Junior Drovers from 16 years of age down to six.

And all of that will change if you don't get to play in the Premiership? Why?


Not a bad return in comparison to the wages spent on any one of many overseas players currently plying their trade at our regions, often at the expense of equally capable upcoming Welsh talent.

Equally capable? What a stupid thing to write after you've just detailed some lovely casual racism. Nobody could write that with a straight face and a proper exposure to professional rugby,


Furthermore the Drovers' success in developing talent has resulted in the following players that have pulled on the Drovers 1st team jersey and have gone on to represent Wales at all levels, including Under 18s with Rhodri Williams and Jake Randal, at Under 20s Adam Warren and Sam Soul (worth noting that neither of whom came through the Scarlets academy), Ed Siggery (now with Ponty) and Rhodri Jones (now with Llanelli); with full Wales caps awarded to Rob MacCusker and Josh Turnbull and George North.

You forgot to write which of those were placed at Llandovery by Llanelli. And you forgot to tell us why any of that would stop if you weren't in the Premiership.


With this in mind does/can the WRU get better value for money £ for £ from any other Club in Wales? Unlike several other clubs who do not have any overheads to consider, we both own and maintain our own 18 acres facilities and have to budget for the associated running and operating costs in addition to financing a competitive semi professional Premiership 1st team.

Epic. Does the WRU get better value for money from the Ospreys (who they pay about £1.5m in return for over a dozen players a year) or Llandovery (whose better players are paid for by Llanelli and placed there by Llanelli). Wow, that's a tough farking question.



On behalf of our members, supporters, players and coaching staff I would like to reassure you all that we as a Committee will do our utmost as always to ensure that we do everything possible to continue to maintain our status, as our players and coaches have and will do on the field of play. Whether we do or not will be down to the WRU themselves - who have on so many occasions over the years highlighted the Drovers' set up as a model template for other aspiring clubs to emulate.
They would have far more sympathy from me if they had presented that (minus the ignorant bollocks about the professional game) to Gypo rather than to the General Public.

The stuff about the professional game is, of course, yet another reason why Blazers like this should have no say on the professional game at all.
 
Seems The Drovers have issues........
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I hope Llandovery remain in the premiership
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I'm sure they will, I'm a little confused by their concern
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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

I'm sure they will, I'm a little confused by their concern
you can understand their scepticism,they got promoted before and that wonderful entity the w.r.u. decided that they would not be going up prefering to throw them a few quid,they do have a thriving club from juniors upwards and good facilities.would the quins be able to put a bid in without castell howell money,martens went there for 30,000 a year,likewise would tonmawr be able to bid without their money man,it's only the w.r.u.could create a problem from a solution.they can't afford 200k for 2 more clubs but were prepared to fund 12 canadians in north wales.well done that man for airing his views in public.
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

I'm sure they will, I'm a little confused by their concern
you can understand their scepticism,they got promoted before and that wonderful entity the w.r.u. decided that they would not be going up prefering to throw them a few quid,they do have a thriving club from juniors upwards and good facilities.would the quins be able to put a bid in without castell howell money,martens went there for 30,000 a year,likewise would tonmawr be able to bid without their money man,it's only the w.r.u.could create a problem from a solution.they can't afford 200k for 2 more clubs but were prepared to fund 12 canadians in north wales.well done that man for airing his views in public.
Good post but what I don't understand is, surely it is up to the regions to select their feeder clubs?!
If not the WRU could conceiveably pick Pontyberem and Whitland for example. Llanelli and Llandovery would be the 2 clubs but I expect Carm Quins as well to be our clubs. (It was said minimum of 2 and maximum of 4 wasn't it?)


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Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Apparently.
 
Taken from Gwlad BTW with the comments left by good old PhilBB.
 
Originally Posted by A Llandovery Official
A very warm welcome is extended to everyone associated with Newport RFC for today's Principality Premiership as the season draws to a close.

Hopefully we will continue with our league fixtures with one of Wales's most famous clubs again next season - but who knows? - given the WRU's sudden and most dramatic shake up of the Premiership since the introduction of regional rugby in 2003.

It wasn't sudden. Cardiff RFC was telling its followers about this weeks and weeks ago

At last week's Millennium Stadium WRU presentation by Joe Lydon clubs were given an overview of the new proposals and then on Monday of this week the Premiership group of clubs voted overwhelmingly in favour of the reduction in the number of teams from fourteen down to ten.

The ten successful clubs will be chosen following their assessment in meeting new licensing criteria which is understood to include ground and spectator facilities, the submission of *match funding* business plans and a meritocracy formula in relation to each club's league position over the last six seasons.

Popular belief would suggest that teams like Cardiff, Newport, Llanelli, Swansea, Neath, Pontypridd and Aberavon are racing certainties, with the remaining three clubs being selected from the other seven teams along with possibly Bridgend, Newbridge or Ebbw Vale pending the outcome of the relegation and promotion playoffs.

Whilst we as a Club are safe in the knowledge that our facilities match
up to the current WRU standards [as we are one of the ten clubs who hold an *A* licence] (Bedwas, Carmarthen Quins, Pontypool and Glamorgan Wanderers being the four *B* licence holders) - which are necessary in order to be eligible for entry into the British & Irish Cup, nevertheless there is undoubtedly an element of uncertainty whether this will necessarily guarantee our place in the new ten team tier.

At the time of writing we are due to have talks with Scarlets supremo Gareth Jenkins this evening about the potential implications upon Llandovery and Carmarthen Quins, as it is considered unlikely that both of us will be in the new mix, given the fact that there is to be a minimum of two clubs and a maximum of four clubs per region.

On a personal view I believe that the fair and equitable split would be to provide three teams per region in a twelve team format. However the WRU insist that they do not have the additional £200k to enable this.

It is particularly difficult to swallow when the regions themselves splash out sums in excess of this figure on a single non-Welsh qualified player.

It is their money to do this, matey boy.


It is therefore questionable whether the WRU budget is being spent wisely, particularly given the results in the Heineken Cup to date (aye, because whining about high wages whilst the Welsh teams lose to those with bigger wage bills doesn't make you look like an idiot at all, does it?), whether the huge sums spent on such players

i.e. those who cannot represent Wales can be justified at the expense of funding two additional Clubs who contribute so much more to Welsh Rugby at all levels.

What marvellous arrogance to suggest that two junior clubs contribute "so much more to Welsh rugby". How are you measuring that? By your crowd levels? Your local appeal? Your success? And all of this without a single reference to the fact that much of the "WRU budget" is money generated by the four themselves and there's not even a nod towards the money the four generage by themselves.


For the £77k that we receive annually in funding by the WRU, in return we field a Premiership team who has been represented in the Premiership since its inception (indeed it is worth noting that since the introduction of the Heineken Leagues in 1990 we have been promoted through and up into the top tier and have never been relegated);

Marvellous. You're a small club in a Village League


we have won the Konica Minolta Cup in 2007 (one of only nine clubs to do so
in history);

There's been nine clubs who have won it since 2003? Don't try to align your club's achievement to what was needed to win it prior to 2003. That just shows a complete arrogance to claim post 2003 is the same as pre 2003.


we represented Wales in this season's British & Irish Cup competition and came within a whisker of qualifying as pool runners up when losing 20-19 at Ayr;

Woohooo. You lost to Ayr.


we reached the semi final of the Swalec Cup;

we supply an Athletic team which has won the league and cup three years
in succession, a Youth team which has once again reached the final of the County Cup, and children's age grade rugby through our Junior Drovers from 16 years of age down to six.

And all of that will change if you don't get to play in the Premiership? Why?


Not a bad return in comparison to the wages spent on any one of many overseas players currently plying their trade at our regions, often at the expense of equally capable upcoming Welsh talent.

Equally capable? What a stupid thing to write after you've just detailed some lovely casual racism. Nobody could write that with a straight face and a proper exposure to professional rugby,


Furthermore the Drovers' success in developing talent has resulted in the following players that have pulled on the Drovers 1st team jersey and have gone on to represent Wales at all levels, including Under 18s with Rhodri Williams and Jake Randal, at Under 20s Adam Warren and Sam Soul (worth noting that neither of whom came through the Scarlets academy), Ed Siggery (now with Ponty) and Rhodri Jones (now with Llanelli); with full Wales caps awarded to Rob MacCusker and Josh Turnbull and George North.

You forgot to write which of those were placed at Llandovery by Llanelli. And you forgot to tell us why any of that would stop if you weren't in the Premiership.


With this in mind does/can the WRU get better value for money £ for £ from any other Club in Wales? Unlike several other clubs who do not have any overheads to consider, we both own and maintain our own 18 acres facilities and have to budget for the associated running and operating costs in addition to financing a competitive semi professional Premiership 1st team.

Epic. Does the WRU get better value for money from the Ospreys (who they pay about £1.5m in return for over a dozen players a year) or Llandovery (whose better players are paid for by Llanelli and placed there by Llanelli). Wow, that's a tough farking question.



On behalf of our members, supporters, players and coaching staff I would like to reassure you all that we as a Committee will do our utmost as always to ensure that we do everything possible to continue to maintain our status, as our players and coaches have and will do on the field of play. Whether we do or not will be down to the WRU themselves - who have on so many occasions over the years highlighted the Drovers' set up as a model template for other aspiring clubs to emulate.
They would have far more sympathy from me if they had presented that (minus the ignorant bollocks about the professional game) to Gypo rather than to the General Public.

The stuff about the professional game is, of course, yet another reason why Blazers like this should have no say on the professional game at all.
 
Seems The Drovers have issues........
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Haven't Neath indicated that they want to be a feeder club to the Scarlets as well?
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I would quite fancy Neath TBH
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