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Topic: Regions Attendance Figures
Posted By: minded
Subject: Regions Attendance Figures
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 12:35pm
I'll update this after the final weekend with us, Ospreys and Dragons all playing at home.
(Split the Judgement day attendance of 30410 between the two games @ 15205 each.)

Pro12

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues na 10413 10615 15205 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 8069
Dragons 8526 na 15205 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6773
Ospreys 8656 8732 na 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7919
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 na 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7320

European Home Games

HC 1 2 3
Blues 11573 6144 12125
Ospreys 12378 6385 8347
Scarlets 8388 7591 7516
Amlin
Dragons 4474 4023 6063

Interesting to compare how close the Dragons average gate is in the league to us, yet how poorly attended their Amlin games were. Blues next season figures will also be way down on what they accomplished this season you'd imagine.

Disappointing European home attendance for us this season, how we couldn't even get a decent crowd in for the first home game (especially after that Quins away win) is worrying to say the least.


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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 12:37pm
Our home league attendances over the past 5 years as previously posted, we're going to need at least 9000 in for the Cardiff game to match our poor 2008/09 average Cry:-

MunsterLeinsterUlsterConnachtGlasgowEdinburghTrevisoZebre/AirioniOspreysDragonsCardiffSeason Average
2008-09843564366298604161036302--11444705076107302
2009-10631360756266502356305540--147396464101717358
2010-1191085142546364367149585764216123137079671112007843
2011-12107418823707575349869618865946493147567950130479006
2012-1371246559708958866901631491295757141117863104267924
2013-146487632965066111650456755847670814796652190467320


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Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 12:51pm
Judgement Day is a boost to the Blues and Dragons Rabo averages. I think it's a mistake for us and the Ospreys not to host a home Judgement Day every other season alternating between the Blues and Dragons as opposition.
 
We've dropped almost 2,000 from our average gate in two years.


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Posted By: Iwlew
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Judgement Day is a boost to the Blues and Dragons Rabo averages. I think it's a mistake for us and the Ospreys not to host a home Judgement Day every other season alternating between the Blues and Dragons as opposition.
 
We've dropped almost 2,000 from our average gate in two years.

Don't think they'd have Scarlets Ospreys game for judgement day, its the rare time when parc y scarlets is filled out and they can sell plenty of food and drink. 
Would putting it in millennium result in a bigger crowd? Wouldn't be a huge amount more.


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Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 1:00pm
Yes agree. I said alternating between the Blues and Dregs as opposition.

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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 1:07pm
Our attendances this season have been noticeably lower than last year. I think it's actually quite alarming how far we've dropped.

We can't do anything with the prices, but I hope the club are thinking of ways to arrest the decline because that can't be helping our finances.



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Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 1:23pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

We can't do anything with the prices, but I hope the club are thinking of ways to arrest the decline because that can't be helping our finance
 
When Ben Morgan was sold, it was a killer - but we had to understand the reasons.
 
When Nigel Davies left, an uneasy feeling about the future was developing - but he wasn't all that great a coach, was he? So we swallowed that and carried on.
 
When George North was sold, people did start giving up. They started giving up because they saw the club giving up. It was as much symbolic as it was about the player himself. It sent out a message of futility and you could sense it at the matches and with supporters last season and this season. We were demoralised and all the momentum the club had created between 2009 and 2012 was completely undone.
 
So, not surprising at all.
 
We need a financial injection to recover now. No amount of promotions and PR will make a dent. We need a better season on the field, followed by a summer where we don't lose any of our best players, and we recruit a player or two that excites the supporters.
 
Not easy given the disgraceful situation in Welsh rugby. In the meantime, we just need to hope the core support sticks with the club during this period. We've certainly got no future otherwise.


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Posted By: InTheBath
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 2:12pm
Mike is completely correct, there is little hope in the support of the region at the moment. We've seen all our best players leave and everyone in Europe overtake us in signing players while the Union has tried to run us into the ground.

Without playing exciting rugby, playing winning rugby or a sense of hope for the future, crowds always suffer. We played exciting rugby and had a bit hope we could do well when Nigel and Ben were here. Our crowd numbers were growing and there was a feeling we could build on something.

Any sort of confidence in the welsh domestic game has been eroded since the new PA really started to bite. It isn't going to get much better for a good few seasons too. We badly need money and I am not sure where its coming from. Times are tough bois bach.



Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

We've certainly got no future otherwise.

Christ. I've got jet-lag and I'm back in work. I might get nihilist tattooed on my face and go and walk into the sea now, Mike.

As usual, you're spot-on though. That season we beat the Saints away in the Heineken Cup really felt as if it was building to something special. Talk about premature. Things look dramatically different now. I genuinely don't know where we're going at the moment and I wonder if the club does; I mean, it's clearly been tough for them as a business over the last couple of years and our position is so elastic - the crowds (as you've pointed out) seem to respond to every recruitment decision the club makes so the only way to bring folks back is to sign some 'big names'. And I can't see that happening because we can't afford to keep our best players, let alone sign a 'name'.

It's a bit of a spiral of decline that we nearly got ourselves out of. Like a street drinker cleaning himself up and then burgling a Spar for White Ace. Or something like that.

Now, where's my local tattoo parlour...
 


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

We can't do anything with the prices, but I hope the club are thinking of ways to arrest the decline because that can't be helping our finance
 
When Ben Morgan was sold, it was a killer - but we had to understand the reasons.
 
When Nigel Davies left, an uneasy feeling about the future was developing - but he wasn't all that great a coach, was he? So we swallowed that and carried on.
 
When George North was sold, people did start giving up. They started giving up because they saw the club giving up. It was as much symbolic as it was about the player himself. It sent out a message of futility and you could sense it at the matches and with supporters last season and this season. We were demoralised and all the momentum the club had created between 2009 and 2012 was completely undone.
 
So, not surprising at all.
 
We need a financial injection to recover now. No amount of promotions and PR will make a dent. We need a better season on the field, followed by a summer where we don't lose any of our best players, and we recruit a player or two that excites the supporters.
 
Not easy given the disgraceful situation in Welsh rugby. In the meantime, we just need to hope the core support sticks with the club during this period. We've certainly got no future otherwise.
excellent post mike sums it up nicely.


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Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

We've certainly got no future otherwise.

Christ. I've got jet-lag and I'm back in work. I might get nihilist tattooed on my face and go and walk into the sea now, Mike.

As usual, you're spot-on though. That season we beat the Saints away in the Heineken Cup really felt as if it was building to something special. Talk about premature. Things look dramatically different now. I genuinely don't know where we're going at the moment and I wonder if the club does; I mean, it's clearly been tough for them as a business over the last couple of years and our position is so elastic - the crowds (as you've pointed out) seem to respond to every recruitment decision the club makes so the only way to bring folks back is to sign some 'big names'. And I can't see that happening because we can't afford to keep our best players, let alone sign a 'name'.

It's a bit of a spiral of decline that we nearly got ourselves out of. Like a street drinker cleaning himself up and then burgling a Spar for White Ace. Or something like that.

Now, where's my local tattoo parlour...
 
Funny you should mention that Saints game.
 
All the work done by the academy and the reforms put in by Nigel Davies had borne fruit by the end of 2011. We had developed one of the best batches of young players ever to come through at a club in Wales. It culminated with the bonus point win at Franklin's Gardens just months after they had contested the previous season's Heineken Cup final.
 
It was a pretty extraordinary turnaround from the shambolic state of affairs that Nigel inherited in the summer of 2009. To get into that position two years later, and on a reduced budget, was a tremendous achievement from everyone at the club.
 
At the end of 2011, we had the ingredients to put the club back on the map in Europe and the platform for a really exciting era potentially.
 
But for that to happen we needed to maintain the momentum by two things happening. Firstly we needed a resolution to the WRU-RRW situation so that our gold-standard batch of stars would be the first in the queue to be retained in Wales under a new agreement. Secondly, we needed to avoid bad luck on the field in key moments.
 
We had two desperate bits of misfortune. After winning our opening two European games, we had Munster at home in round 3. Unfortunately this game came a week after Wales' extra Autumn test.
 
Not only did this hamper our preparation while Munster had a full two weeks together, it also cost us George North who got injured in that Australia game. We ended up losing to Munster by a single score and no-one will convince me that we wouldn't have won if we'd had the two weeks preparation time and George in the side. Indeed, Munster's try that day came from an individual error from Dan Newton who wouldn't have been playing had George not got injured the week before with Wales.
 
The misfortune of George's injury and Wales' extra fixture cost us, IMO, a first Heineken Cup quarter final in 5 years and at least about £300,000 in competition prize money (more than the transfer fee we actively sold George to Saints for). A run to the European Cup knock-out stages would have not only kept the momentum going, it would have given it an extra charge.
 
The second bit of misfortune was, ironically, the pace of Ben Morgan's emergence. Had a few variables not come together at the same time, there was a strong possibility that Ben would have opted to represent Wales and we'd have secured a massive ball-carrier for a number of years. 
 
Our decline, regardless of the play-off place in 2013, began at the end of that season. Ben's departure left a massive hole on the field. The lack of resolution with the WRU meant that Nigel Davies walked - he could see what was coming - and our big players followed. Not all of them, but enough to stop-dead the progress and put us into a tail-spin.
 
Bit of a hard-luck tale, but things could have been so different for us now had the WRU wanted to back regional rugby, and a couple of things went our way.


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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:44pm
Next season for us I believe is the biggest in the clubs history fail next year and it could be the end of the road. We need to go out in summer and buy big and really go for it, the fans will come If we play good rugby a top class 10 centre and 8 we could be up there I believe we don't need to get in volume just class.

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Posted By: bazlewis
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 8:21pm
A superb post Mike we really do need a special season to get supporters back. I don't care where they come from as long as they come to the Parc. We need a cash injection, does anyone now how much money we will get from BT?

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Posted By: Iwlew
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Next season for us I believe is the biggest in the clubs history fail next year and it could be the end of the road. We need to go out in summer and buy big and really go for it, the fans will come If we play good rugby a top class 10 centre and 8 we could be up there I believe we don't need to get in volume just class.


I'd say a wing more than a centre. With King returning as well as Scott Williams, Gareth Maule, Adam Warren and Nic Reynolds were alright for now in midfield.

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Posted By: RedZep
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 10:26pm
Excellent posts, Mike. The key points for me - the situation we find ourselves in now is the direct result of the WRU's long term policy of divide and conquer, death by a thousand cuts. Proves to me how important that decision was not to renew the PA.

The other key point is the hard-core 5.5 - 6k or so who are the very life blood of the club. We must do all we can to at least retain these and hopefully increase this number. 


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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 2:57pm
I know it's not a total accurate but looking at the online ticket system, I doubt we've exceeded 7500 yet for Saturday.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 3:44pm

the region need to stop talking about finances for a while too. its a turn off for many fans and they wont garner much sympathy in a relatively deprived area. better promotion of the lats match and season tickets and more players doing some signings at the shop in the summer could help. also this eistefodd in town in july august is another great opportunity to promote ourselves to 100,000+ people over a week

using twitter and facebook more etc to promote all these events, are we maximizing these outlets? 
 
the valleys cast is attending town this week and people are actually paying £8 for the PRIVELIGE cough cough of metting these beauts. alas the younger generation love a bit of this hype and once it goes VIRRAL then everyone jumps on the bandwagon. It wouldnt surprise me if foxy and rob gog had a pie eating contest at the shop, if it got more online hits than the matches themselves. heck get gypo and easterby to lead a road to ammarrillo march from the shop the the parc....whatever ....if the natives want nonsense , sell nonsense....10 million people watch deadenders every night, if junk sells, sell junkWink
 
anythings better than rrw and wru squabbling over wonga zzzzzzzz
 
 


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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 6:46pm
looking at the results, we've got to remember that we are based in most probably the smallest area (population wise) out of the four regions. but yet we are very close to Blues and Ospreys attendances.

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 3:42pm
Final league figures, a strong 9000 last night saw us gain a couple of hundred with Ospreys dropping below the Blues.

Thought Cardiff's away support last night was very good considering the game was a dead rubber.

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10413 10615 12125 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 7790
Dragons 8526 - 8500 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6164
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7920
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7321



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Posted By: Iwlew
Date Posted: 11 May 2014 at 5:14pm
Not too bad taking into account the population difference compared to the cities.

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 17 December 2014 at 12:44pm
European attendance comparison after 2 home games:

2013/14
Heineken Home 1 Home 2 Home 3
Blues 11573 6144 12125
Ospreys 12378 6385 8347
Scarlets 8388 7591 7516
Amlin
Dragons 4474 4023 6063
2014/15
Champions Home 1 Home 2 Home 3
Ospreys 7625 7164 7308
Scarlets 8235 7230 9267
Challenge
Blues 6267 5430 4733
Dragons 6119 3936 5571



Blues = 13412 less
Ospreys = 5013 less
Scarlets = 1237 more
Dragons = 1069 more



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Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 17 December 2014 at 3:31pm
Interesting...

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 17 December 2014 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by haydn_davies haydn_davies wrote:

Interesting...
Obviously most of it isn't, but it does show the impact that dropping to the Challenge Cup has had on Blues figures.

That Blues figure of 5430 against London Irish is strange though, if they had 6267 for Grenoble how have they lost 800 on that when you'd think Irish would bring a decent following down.


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Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 17 December 2014 at 5:26pm
I'd say the attendance for our last home match should be the biggest of the lot TBH.

Blues and Ospreys have had quite a large drop off in attendances.

Blues' can be contributed to the competition they're in possibly, but what's the Ospreys excuse??

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 9:37am
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

European attendance comparison after 2 home games:

2013/14
Heineken Home 1 Home 2 Home 3
Blues 11573 6144 12125
Ospreys 12378 6385 8347
Scarlets 8388 7591 7516
Amlin
Dragons 4474 4023 6063
2014/15
Champions Home 1 Home 2 Home 3
Ospreys 7625 7164 7308
Scarlets 8235 7230 9267
Challenge
Blues 6267 5430 4733
Dragons 6119 3936 5571



Blues = 13412 less
Ospreys = 5013 less
Scarlets = 1237 more
Dragons = 1069 more

Blues have almost halved their attendance across the 3 home Europe games.

Thanks to a solid showing on Saturday we managed to increase ours by 1237.


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Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 10:26am
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

 
Blues have almost halved their attendance across the 3 home Europe games.

Thanks to a solid showing on Saturday we managed to increase ours by 1237.


That's the danger of going into the Challenge Cup , there is only really 1 big match and that's when you play the English team . Then you just have to hope you can get a home quarter final to .

If we were to go into the challenge cup it wouldn't be good when trying to increase the attendances


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 10:54am
Blues crowds are shocking.....Do we have an up to date average for the regions for the whole season?

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 11:24am
Not at present, i'll do it again at the end of the season.




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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 January 2015 at 11:38am
ok diolch I presume theyre down across the board?

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 10:11am
Pro12 - 2013/14

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10413 10615 12125 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 7790
Dragons 8526 - 8500 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6164
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7920
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7321



Pro12 - 2014/15
Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 12125 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 7567
Dragons 8486 - 7199 8500 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6158
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 8398
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 7069

In the interest of fairness I've put the Judgement Day fixtures down as sellouts at the home teams respective grounds, 12k for Blues and 8.5k for Dragons.


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Posted By: gofer88
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 1:10pm
A drop of about 250 average in pro 12 with a slight increase in RCC. So roughly 1500 less people through the gates this season overall?

To be honest this has probably been evened out by having so many kids through the doors for tag tournaments, as much as they are probably on a freebee the spend on food/ drink will probably increase.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Pro12 - 2013/14

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10413 10615 12125 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 7790
Dragons 8526 - 8500 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6164
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7920
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7321

the judgement day crowd was 52500 so that should really be split 50/50 between ragons and blues counting as a home crowd of 26250 each

Pro12 - 2014/15
Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 12125 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 7567
Dragons 8486 - 7199 8500 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6158
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 8398
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 7069

In the interest of fairness I've put the Judgement Day fixtures down as sellouts at the home teams respective grounds, 12k for Blues and 8.5k for Dragons.


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Pro12 - 2013/14

Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10413 10615 12125 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 7790
Dragons 8526 - 8500 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 6164
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 7920
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 7321



Pro12 - 2014/15
Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 12125 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 7567
Dragons 8486 - 7199 8500 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6158
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 8398
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 7069

In the interest of fairness I've put the Judgement Day fixtures down as sellouts at the home teams respective grounds, 12k for Blues and 8.5k for Dragons.
 
the judgement day crowd was 52500, that should be split between blues and dragons so those games should count as 26250 each


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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the judgement day crowd was 52500, that should be split between blues and dragons so those games should count as 26250 each
That's going to completely skew the figures and boost their average unreasonably. Iow i'm not doing that.

But just for you Roy:

2014-15 Cardiff Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Season Average
Blues - 10900 26250 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 8851
Dragons 8486 - 7199 26250 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 7771


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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 2:50pm
Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

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Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 18 May 2015 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???


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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 19 May 2015 at 4:10pm
cheers minded...yes it does skew them, but those people paid for their tickets so it counts. made a heck of a difference to their overall average....when you include those figures do you know the overall average for regional rugby and is it close to moffetts magical 8000 target?

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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 19 May 2015 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???

hehe not with the new figures lol....


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Posted By: Dan the Drover
Date Posted: 19 May 2015 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Scarlets only region to have a drop in attendance.

Blues too ???


Well, and the Dragons too, come to think of it.  But the Scarlets were certainly ONE of the regions showing a drop in attendance. 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 19 May 2015 at 5:15pm
Ok Ive tried to calculate total average crowds and aggregate crowds for the whole season for the league, for Europe and sum totals and averages for the 2 competitions combined. (excluded the lv cup, is that continuing?)


pro 12 league average crowds




              league 2015           2014        Europe 2015        2014          




blues                 8851           7790               5477               9947     

ospreys             8398           7920               7399               9037

dragons             7771           6164               5936(x4)        4853

scarlets              7069           7321               8244               7843










                   total aggregate crowds (exc lv cup) overall average crowds




                      2014            2015                          2014        2015




Blues            113792      115 531                        8128        8252   (up 124)

Ospreys        114231     114575                          8159       8184    (up 25)

Dragons        82363       109225                         5883       7282 (up 1399)

Scarlets        104060      102491                         7433       7321 (down 112)




total overall average 2015 is 7751 (still short of moffets 8000 average target)up 350 from 7401 in 2014


Crowds and general end of season report...

The judgement day made a huge impact. Overall these figures imo are actually far better than Id expected. The start of the season was drab dull and miserable. Endless arguments, political squabbles, no participation deal, no tv or European deals and several star names gone like foxy, halfpenny, hibbard etc. The games were dull the results not great. But come the spring, we have dodger and pickering going going gone and davies in place. All deals doen for tv, europe, wru participation , joint central contracts (the obvious solution Something I mentioned to eddie butler at stradey 10 years ago)

Crowds have grown, 12 star players have been signed up on ndc's, judgement day record pro 12 crowd of 52,500 was fantastic.

Results improved as did performances. Wales beat the boks for only the 2nd time ever, lead the all blacks after 70 minutes and of course threw it away again against the wallabies lol, then won 4 out of 5 in the 6 nations despite the English 2nd half nightmare, ended up 5th in the world...




Dragons made the European shield semi final, their crowds have gone up an incredible 1399 over the whole season.

Ospreys grew and grew and now make the pro 12 play off semi finals and Europe. Dare I say it I hope they win it, good boost for regional rugby imo

Weve been strange up and down but only lost 1 home game and made Europe for the 20th year in a row, not bad for a tinpot down eh lol?

Blues have been appalling .....but thanks to judgement day their crowds are actually up overall by 124? They've kept warburton geth Cuthbert...they have tom james cory allen due back...they need to build a side around them and imo keep patchell at 10

imagine what we could achieve with stability and no petty squabbling

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:00am
2015-16 Cardiff Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Season Average
Blues - 8203 34131 11720 5017 5321 5279 5824 5704 6058 5258 3658 5249 4602 5490 7965
Dragons 8226 - 6413 34131 5579 4303 4483 4128 4526 6352 4940 4159 4455 4202 4316 7158
Ospreys 9920 9247 - 12051 8107 7340 9923 7893 7239 7264 8455 7236 7968 8733 9479 8633
Scarlets 9546 6952 14568 - 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 8512 5767 6823 7291

Season attendance is down but our league attendance is better than last year:

Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre/Airioni Ospreys Dragons Cardiff Average
2008-09 8435 6436 6298 6041 6103 6302 - - 11444 7050 7610 7302
2009-10 6313 6075 6266 5023 5630 5540 - - 14739 6464 10171 7358
2010-11 9108 5142 5463 6436 7149 5857 6421 6123 13707 9671 11200 7843
2011-12 10741 8823 7075 7534 9869 6188 6594 6493 14756 7950 13047 9006
2012-13 7124 6559 7089 5886 6901 6314 9129 5757 14111 7863 10426 7924
2013-14 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 14796 6521 9046 7321
2014-15 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 12301 7124 10195 7069
2015-16 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 14568 6952 9546 7361


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Posted By: Mundoscarlet
Date Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:28pm
Don't think that Blues and drags 34k should every be included,like all these silly aviva games at twickenham


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 9:07am
Originally posted by Mundoscarlet Mundoscarlet wrote:

Don't think that Blues and drags 34k should every be included,like all these silly aviva games at twickenham
 
Technically shouldn't it be 17k each as the attendance is split 4 ways?
 
 
I really can't comprehend the European attendances across all teams. Ours is a little embarrassing, it seems we have a lot of fans who won't pay to watch the best in the world but only turn up if they think we'll win.
 
 
Same goes for the blues and dragons. More people turn up to watch Treviso than European games against teams you wouldn't normally get to watch.


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 10:15am
We need to start competing for silverware to try and raise attendances. Our cupboards have been bare for far too long, and there is only so far that initiatives, incentives, PR and marketing will go before the effect that they have, starts to dwindle too. Shocked

We were pretty close this season with getting into the Top 4, and it would have given us a huge boost going into next season regardless if we'd have got to the final. We have to push even harder next season, it is the only way! Shocked


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Posted By: Reggy1981
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 4:17pm
I expect season ticket renewals to drop with families being forced to move to the west stand or pay an additional 110 quid to retain their current seats


Posted By: joni_bach
Date Posted: 10 May 2016 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

the region need to stop talking about finances for a while too. its a turn off for many fans and they wont garner much sympathy in a relatively deprived area. better promotion of the lats match and season tickets and more players doing some signings at the shop in the summer could help. also this eistefodd in town in july august is another great opportunity to promote ourselves to 100,000+ people over a week

using twitter and facebook more etc to promote all these events, are we maximizing these outlets? 
 
the valleys cast is attending town this week and people are actually paying £8 for the PRIVELIGE cough cough of metting these beauts. alas the younger generation love a bit of this hype and once it goes VIRRAL then everyone jumps on the bandwagon. It wouldnt surprise me if foxy and rob gog had a pie eating contest at the shop, if it got more online hits than the matches themselves. heck get gypo and easterby to lead a road to ammarrillo march from the shop the the parc....whatever ....if the natives want nonsense , sell nonsense....10 million people watch deadenders every night, if junk sells, sell junkWink
 
anythings better than rrw and wru squabbling over wonga zzzzzzzz
 
 

Gloucester R.F.C. did a walk around the city with fans, starting and finishing at Kingsholm and those who attended and raised money for charity got free tickets for a Northampton game. Wouldn't mind doing a "post to post" walk between the Berwick roundabout and Sandy Water Park. 


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 12:39pm
Managed to forget to add to this last season, here's the regional home attendance figures for the last 5 years:

2013-14 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 10413 10615 15205 6122 5063 7084 6874 5645 7245 6986 7513 11573 6144 12125 8472
Dragons 8526 - 15205 6777 7118 6174 5165 5474 3916 4574 6026 5554 4474 4023 6063 6362
Ospreys 8656 8732 - 13201 5766 8656 10049 6403 5679 8356 5089 6529 12378 6385 8347 8159
Scarlets 9046 6521 14796 - 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 8388 7591 7516 7430
2014-15 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 10900 26250 9443 6902 7053 7041 5624 6897 5740 5028 6487 6267 5430 4733 8128
Dragons 8486 - 7199 26250 5783 5088 6019 4180 5885 5608 5162 5823 6119 3636 5571 7201
Ospreys 10821 7152 - 15732 8632 7557 6395 6010 10981 6340 6213 6545 7625 7164 7308 8177
Scarlets 10195 7124 12301 - 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 8235 7230 9267 7321
2015-16 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 8203 34131 11720 5017 5321 5279 5824 5704 6058 5258 3658 5249 4602 5490 7965
Dragons 8226 - 6413 34131 5579 4303 4483 4128 4526 6352 4940 4159 4455 4202 4316 7158
Ospreys 9920 9247 - 12051 8107 7340 9923 7893 7239 7264 8455 7236 7968 8733 9479 8633
Scarlets 9546 6952 14568 - 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 8512 5767 6823 7291
2016-17 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Average
Blues - 11654 30321 9442 6546 8289 6010 4300 8024 4807 5693 4737 6960 7569 7223 8684
Dragons 5167 - 6746 30321 3841 4059 4877 4522 4809 4064 3904 4454 4126 4096 3544 6324
Ospreys 10860 9103 - 19514 8782 8102 8221 6669 7140 7684 6707 6509 7352 7039 6986 8619
Scarlets 10159 6358 13256 - 6107 6164 6593 5630 6059 6637 6080 5989 6521 8579 7491 7259
2017-18 Blues Dragons Ospreys Scarlets Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Benetton Zebre Cheetahs Kings Europe 1  Europe 2 Europe 3 Euro QF / SF P14 QF Average
Blues - 8178 31169 11700 6086 - 5763 5042 5374 6145 4782 5381 4703 - 5691 4974 7152 - 8010
Dragons 8722 - 5519 31169 - 6133 4477 5069 4159 4052 3779 - 4406 5299 3417 3949 4017 - - 6726
Ospreys 7489 7442 - 12093 7302 7816 - 8092 4362 - - 6826 3842 4673 7458 6947 9158 - - 7192
Scarlets 9003 9347 14509 - - 9108 6941 7693 10076 8088 8007 - - 9108 11479 6856 14476 15373 7105 9811


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 12:41pm
Our league home game attendances

Pro14 Munster Leinster Ulster Connacht Glasgow Edinburgh Treviso Zebre/Airioni Kings Cheetahs Ospreys Dragons Blues Average
2008-09 8435 6436 6298 6041 6103 6302 - - - - 11444 7050 7610 7302
2009-10 6313 6075 6266 5023 5630 5540 - - - - 14739 6464 10171 7358
2010-11 9108 5142 5463 6436 7149 5857 6421 6123 - - 13707 9671 11200 7843
2011-12 10741 8823 7075 7534 9869 6188 6594 6493 - - 14756 7950 13047 9006
2012-13 7124 6559 7089 5886 6901 6314 9129 5757 - - 14111 7863 10426 7924
2013-14 6487 6329 6506 6111 6504 5675 5847 6708 - - 14796 6521 9046 7321
2014-15 6059 6069 6531 5000 6038 7310 5791 5342 - - 12301 7124 10195 7069
2015-16 6466 7013 6061 5888 8165 5569 5237 5504 - - 14568 6952 9546 7361
2016-17 6107 6164 6593 5630 6059 6637 6080 5989 - - 13256 6358 10159 7185
2017-18 - 9108 6941 7693 10076 8088 8007 - 9108 - 14509 9347 9003 9188


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 1:04pm
Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 2:20pm
Well, Scarlets are doing superbly in relation to all but the main Irish provinces - who have population/distance and historical advantages. 

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Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**
So, what would the CB's & Dragons be without Judgement Day added to the mix?


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**
So, what would the CB's & Dragons be without Judgement Day added to the mix?
I think the only fair way to do that is to count those fixtures as sellouts in their respective home stadia, in doing so:
Cardiff Blues 6844
Dragons 5483


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**
So, what would the CB's & Dragons be without Judgement Day added to the mix?
I think the only fair way to do that is to count those fixtures as sellouts in their respective home stadia, in doing so:
Cardiff Blues 6844
Dragons 5483

Diolch


Posted By: diego6754
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**
So, what would the CB's & Dragons be without Judgement Day added to the mix?
I think the only fair way to do that is to count those fixtures as sellouts in their respective home stadia, in doing so:
Cardiff Blues 6844
Dragons 5483

Diolch

And i presume we'll have 10,000 plus on Saturday so that number should kick on a bit to. That is an excellent effort. What is our average if you take in to account Europe as well?


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 11:13am
Originally posted by diego6754 diego6754 wrote:

Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Season average for P14 teams 2017/18 based on home games

2017/18 Season Average
Leinster 16579
Ulster 14663
Munster 13569
Scarlets 9188
Blues 8575
Edinburgh 7594
Dragons 7526
Glasgow 7351
Ospreys 6994
Cheetahs 6238
Connacht 5793
Kings 4321
Benetton 3564
Zebre 2926

**Disclaimer: Blues and Dragons average fairly skewed due to Judgement Day, Glasgow literally have 7351 every single game and therefore unable to go higher**
So, what would the CB's & Dragons be without Judgement Day added to the mix?
I think the only fair way to do that is to count those fixtures as sellouts in their respective home stadia, in doing so:
Cardiff Blues 6844
Dragons 5483

Diolch

And i presume we'll have 10,000 plus on Saturday so that number should kick on a bit to. That is an excellent effort. What is our average if you take in to account Europe as well?
The average across the season for all home games was 9811.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 12:37pm
Does Edinburgh figure take account of the 35k or whatever they had for their match against Glasgow?


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 31 May 2018 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Does Edinburgh figure take account of the 35k or whatever they had for their match against Glasgow?
Yes it includes 2x Glasgow home games where they got 23833 and 25353.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLe3ApXjW4&list=PL576FE48C1F044909&index=1" rel="nofollow - Scarlets Tries of the Season 2009 - 2018


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 04 June 2018 at 2:00pm
8070 overall regional averages across the 4 teams
Is that up over the last few years?


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Posted By: Rich (Bris)
Date Posted: 05 June 2018 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by Rich (Bris) Rich (Bris) wrote:

Does Edinburgh figure take account of the 35k or whatever they had for their match against Glasgow?

Yes it includes 2x Glasgow home games where they got 23833 and 25353.



Thanks. Their normal crowd must be lower than I thought (or my maths worse!) - but they are on the up as a team, and can pull in non-regulars for Glasgow matches so hopefully they will see a big increase next year



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