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IRB Law Enforcement 2015/2016

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Topic: IRB Law Enforcement 2015/2016
Posted By: scarletman
Subject: IRB Law Enforcement 2015/2016
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 11:05am
Throughout last season, many on here and throughout the game itself have queried Law interpretation and questioned it's enforcement and impact on the game itself. Interpretation without direction allows grey areas to creep in.

The IRB have addressed some of these issues and moved to clarify dig deeper into the law, so giving officials a more concise guidance to offence/sanction application.

The following link clearly gives the official some guidelines to work with, thereby cleaning up the aspects of Law covered.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?domain=9&language=EN" rel="nofollow - http://laws.worldrugby.org/index.php?domain=9&language=EN



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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 10 July 2015 at 6:37pm
This is the bit that I have doubts about SM.

Match officials should work together to ensure that foul play is strictly penalised and that player welfare is paramount

TJ's AR's don't seem to work together well enough.

I think that they need to work as teams more in future, this may enable them to understand each other better and then we'll get more consistency. 



Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 8:19am
Therein lies the problem as I've mentioned numerous times before on this forum . In The Celtic Nations we have Referees acting as Assistant Referees. They switch between roles from one game to the next never being able to perfect the role. In the RFU there are dedicated Assistant Referees who know the job inside out. And before anyone says "but it must be the same job" I can assure you that it isn't. When you refereee a game your mindset is different towards your positioning and movement to that of an assistant . It's very hard to switch in and out of the two roles.I know-how my experience that it's easy when being an AR to keep looking "for the first offence " when really you should be looking for "the afters". After all, it's what we are trained to do. Unfortunately without the manpower and resources we will be stuck in a professional game with semi professional officials for the foreseeable future.

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 8:43am
I can see it being the ARs job to help the ref look for whatever is going on in places he can't see.

If he's on the other side of a mass of players, then you can understand watching for a first offence. Apart from that, being disciplined enough to watch after the ball and/or behind the ref's angle of sight is a question of concentration and discipline, perhaps.

There is also the question of how willing the relevant parties are to give and receive messages.

An AR, like Nigel Owens, gets taken seriously by, say Marius Mitrea, whereas maybe if it had been some newbie he might not - irrespective of how right he might have been.

For me, it's concentration on doing the right job you're there for and helping where else you can for the good of the game. Be involved and be willing to work within the team of three on the field.

It will never be perfect and people will always disagree with something. Practice and focus on the right things and hopefully everything else will take care of itself!

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Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 11 July 2015 at 9:30am
Some sensible options there, the last one is they to stop this ridiculous thing where a player gets the ball and some how puts 8 players between him and the opposition while still staying "bound to the ruck"


Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 17 July 2015 at 9:57am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

I can see it being the ARs job to help the ref look for whatever is going on in places he can't see.

If he's on the other side of a mass of players, then you can understand watching for a first offence. Apart from that, being disciplined enough to watch after the ball and/or behind the ref's angle of sight is a question of concentration and discipline, perhaps.

There is also the question of how willing the relevant parties are to give and receive messages.

An AR, like Nigel Owens, gets taken seriously by, say Marius Mitrea, whereas maybe if it had been some newbie he might not - irrespective of how right he might have been.

For me, it's concentration on doing the right job you're there for and helping where else you can for the good of the game. Be involved and be willing to work within the team of three on the field.

It will never be perfect and people will always disagree with something. Practice and focus on the right things and hopefully everything else will take care of itself!

I agree, but when you're only AR for one game in five (or so) it becomes difficult to dip in and out of roles. I must confess, during one game, I found myself about 8 metres onto the pitch when I switched off for a second or two, I think the home support thought I was going to clear out a ruck for them Wink


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