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Topic: AWJ and the Blues game
Posted By: ap sior
Subject: AWJ and the Blues game
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 12:09pm
AJW is currently injured, but on JD was a water carrier for the O's. Nothing wrong with that. He may very well have been carrying messages on from the coaching team, and again there's nothing wrong with that.

However at HT as the players and officials walked off the pitch he appeared to communicate with the referee. Navidi, and then Nick Williams, who I have little time for after the Shingler and Patchell incidents, also got very irate. I'm with NW on this one. 

There was a some pushing and shoving but so far it appears that nothing has come of it. I was quite angry at AWJ's attempt to talk to the referee. I've no idea what he said but by the reactions of the Blues players it appears that he was trying to influence the referee. 

I think that a censure and a warning as to his future conduct should be issued in this regard. He was taking no part in the match and should have kept his mouth shut. We have witnessed Biggar's antics and poor attitude towards referees and AR's many times, the latest of which was in the Stade game.

What do others think on this one ?



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Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 12:18pm
Nothing in it at all. Navidi grabs AWJ, AWJ pushes him off and then Williams needlessly pushes AWJ.

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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 12:55pm
Who is AR?


Posted By: Scarletstarch
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Who is AR?


Assistant Referees!!


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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:32pm
Maybe AWJ did step over the line, but I do feel for him, watching his beloved team suffer like that and be powerless to stop it. Unlike far too many other major Welsh players, he has remained loyal to the team that nurtured him when he could easily be earning two or three times as much with e.g. Saracens or Toulon, and he has believed in the Ospreys cause even with its decline in recent years, and up to the 6N it was doing so well.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by PritchyTheScarlet PritchyTheScarlet wrote:

Nothing in it at all. Navidi grabs AWJ, AWJ pushes him off and then Williams needlessly pushes AWJ.


The issue is awj talking to the ref, the ref had to warn him in the first half about talking to him when he was on with the bottles, he then continued it at half time going up the tunnel.

It's unacceptable, much like biggar following the ref around for about 10 minutes after the game the last time they were at the principality stadium.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:33pm
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Maybe AWJ did step over the line, but I do feel for him, watching his beloved team suffer like that and be powerless to stop it. Unlike far too many other major Welsh players, he has remained loyal to the team that nurtured him when he could easily be earning two or three times as much with e.g. Saracens or Toulon, and he has believed in the Ospreys cause even with its decline in recent years, and up to the 6N it was doing so well.


His standing and reputation is irrelevant, he was a waterboy yesterday and nothing more.


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:37pm
Sorry but it's shocking behaviour. If he was just a member of the O's match day team it would look bad enough, very "football behaviour", but to have that from the Welsh Captain was embarrassing to watch.
He's supposed to be an example to youngsters, not following the ref around to forcefully influence him then nearly fighting with the other team.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 1:54pm
100% out of order for any water boy to do that, even more so after being warned.

Don't care who it is or whether they're a bad patient when injured.

No defence.

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Posted By: Ffidel Bennett
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 2:32pm
If Nigel had been reffing that match he would have reversed the score and given the whole blues pack red cards as soon as approached by Alun Wyn, such is his love/respect for the great man.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 3:52pm
AWJ didn't come out of that well, surprised me.



Posted By: Dafen Boy
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sorry but it's shocking behaviour. If he was just a member of the O's match day team it would look bad enough, very "football behaviour", but to have that from the Welsh Captain was embarrassing to watch.
He's supposed to be an example to youngsters, not following the ref around to forcefully influence him then nearly fighting with the other team.

Agreed, the problem was the 8 forwards on the field were really poor


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 5:17pm
 
 So surely there must be sanctions against AWJ ??


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 5:27pm
With us having to play the O's again this season, this is a matter that WP could raise with the appointed referee prior to the game. 


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 5:34pm
I don't condone this, but it really has to be said that AWJ is much more essential for the Ospreys than any Scarlet is for the Scarlets.  (Not even Liam Williams comes close).


Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

I don't condone this, but it really has to be said that AWJ is much more essential for the Ospreys than any Scarlet is for the Scarlets.  (Not even Liam Williams comes close).


It just shows that a team shouldn't be built around one player.

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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by KID A KID A wrote:

Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

I don't condone this, but it really has to be said that AWJ is much more essential for the Ospreys than any Scarlet is for the Scarlets.  (Not even Liam Williams comes close).


It just shows that a team shouldn't be built around one player.

I agree.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 7:43pm
Thornton, King, baker and dual contracts. Smith, Baldwin, Davies, tipuric regular internationals. Shows how poor they are without AWJ. Those DC's make a mockery of the system. Yesterday proved that. If they're the future..... we're f***ed.

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Thornton, King, baker and dual contracts. Smith, Baldwin, Davies, tipuric regular internationals. Shows how poor they are without AWJ. Those DC's make a mockery of the system. Yesterday proved that. If they're the future..... we're f***ed.
I don't see much in Thornton, not sure why there's so much fuss over him

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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 16 April 2017 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Thornton, King, baker and dual contracts. Smith, Baldwin, Davies, tipuric regular internationals. Shows how poor they are without AWJ. Those DC's make a mockery of the system. Yesterday proved that. If they're the future..... we're f***ed.
I don't see much in Thornton, not sure why there's so much fuss over him


I never have done either. Same for king and baker. Decent club players but nowhere near international quality. Same with smith. His weaknesses were shown up in this years 6 nations.

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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 1:03am
Their players are overhyped and have an attitude problem, that was reflected in AWJ actions, in contrast Warburton would have been on the pitch telling his players to pick their heads up and get back in the game had it been the other way around.
Also I cant see Keelan Giles making it he is not physical enough, reminds me of that Iongi we signed the other year, just quick and offers nothing else.


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 3:31am
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Their players are overhyped and have an attitude problem, that was reflected in AWJ actions, in contrast Warburton would have been on the pitch telling his players to pick their heads up and get back in the game had it been the other way around.
Also I cant see Keelan Giles making it he is not physical enough, reminds me of that Iongi we signed the other year, just quick and offers nothing else.

(1) Before the Treviso fiasco, people in this very forum were incredibly envious towards the Ospreys and their (relative) success.

(2) Keelan is still young and needs to develop his game and bulk up a little.  Nevertheless, the same was once upon a time true of a certain Shane Williams...


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 5:46am
1) Completely different point.
AWJ actions were outside his remit, and set a very poor example as the club and country captain,and Lions captaincy candidate. Plain for all to see in recent weeks that he has a truculent and churlish streak that stands him apart from the likes of Warburton. You have to be a leader on and off the field these days. Some of his media dealings are borderline childish at times. Tremendous guy to have in your team, and be captain on the pitch however.

2)
I think Keelan demonstrated what all small guys have to have, heart. He doesn't have the frame to stop big guys, but he got stuck in. That augers very well for him. Harry Robinson was a great example of a smallish guy with a big heart for us.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 9:47am
I have been disappointed with AWJ's antics I have to say - he and Biggar do not do themselves any favours behaving the way they do. Dare I say it - may well cost him the Lions captaincy. We all want aggressive & focused leaders but there is a line & Biggar & more recently AWJ have crossed that line. 

I have been one of Keelan's biggest critics when the groundswell came during the autumn for him to be capped. I still believe it is far too soon. He has real pace and an eye for line. He will, I am sure, improve his defensive abilities & then he may well become a future International. I would take Cuthbert, Amos, Steff & Josh Adams before him this summer for instance.

As for Nicky Smith he has had a difficult season. His recent games have shown him to be underpowered in the tight. He has in fairness come up against some decent TH's in Slimani & Furlong!!!! He paled in comparison to Gethin on Saturday. The Ospreys should bite the bullet & start Rhodri at LH for the final two games. 


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 10:27am
Unacceptable from AWJ.
Had no right whatsoever to try's and influence the referee in any way.
He was a water boy for the day, not a player, and certainly not the captain.
If anyone should have been speaking with him it should have been Webb and nobody else.

Very surprised by AWJ actions.
Also nuggets comments when it was shown on TV: "good to see".

If that was a grass roots rugby match, a club would have been pulled in for a hearing and landed with a hefty fine. This should be treated no different.


Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 10:48am
I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 10:53am
Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink

I don't think any of us would not have him in our squad but that is not the point surely. The game doesn't need antics like AWJ & Biggar. There are proper channels i.e. captain to ref - full stop. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 11:38am
If an announcement was made that AWJ was joining us next season 99% of us would be in rapture as we all know what he would bring. He is difficult,challenging, bloody minded and on top of that a great second row and leader. 👍

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Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 11:40am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink

I don't think any of us would not have him in our squad but that is not the point surely. The game doesn't need antics like AWJ & Biggar. There are proper channels i.e. captain to ref - full stop. 


The point is...if it was one of ours we wouldn't all be jumping up and down foaming at the mouth over it. So the guy's passionate and feisty for his cause, good for him. One minute we're all getting on Kens back because he doesn't talk to the Ref enough and now this...non story....(I think the phrase used here is...."end of" Wink)



Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Thornton, King, baker and dual contracts. Smith, Baldwin, Davies, tipuric regular internationals. Shows how poor they are without AWJ. Those DC's make a mockery of the system. Yesterday proved that. If they're the future..... we're f***ed.


Suppose it's worth raising a question over the judgement of the Welsh coaches as well as the wru management. 6 of that ospreys pack have been on or are still on ndc's, and it could have been 7 if they started Rhodri.


Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink


I don't think any of us would not have him in our squad but that is not the point surely. The game doesn't need antics like AWJ & Biggar. There are proper channels i.e. captain to ref - full stop. 


The point is...if it was one of ours we wouldn't all be jumping up and down foaming at the mouth over it. So the guy's passionate and feisty for his cause, good for him. One minute we're all getting on Kens back because he doesn't talk to the Ref enough and now this...non story....(I think the phrase used here is...."end of" Wink)




The story is AWJ's conduct. The manner in which players address the officials is important. Usually through the captain (matchday not the waterboy!) and in a respectful manner. Not in an angry confrontational manner. On the Ken matter the criticism is that he doesn't raise specific opposition tactics which are arguably illegal and may have gone unnoticed. That is not the same behaviour as exhibited by AWJ or Dan Biggar for that matter. That I would describe as harrying the ref, sometimes aggressively. That is what is unacceptable ... just like Cubby's now infamous gesture was.

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:25pm
A word of praise for the Blues. They are playing better rugby now than any of the other Welsh Regions and I fancy they would have done a similar job on us on Saturday had we been facing them instead of the Ospreys. They have exciting backs, a very mobile pack with an outstanding back row, and bags of experience and nous in the front row. If I wasn't a die hard Scarlet I could become a Blue.

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Posted By: Formerly Pemberton
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:28pm
I think a lot of the comments on this thread are missing the point. Referees at a lower level of rugby have the power to have players banned using disciplinary commitees for that kind of behaviour (not that he was playing), as these commitees almost always back the referee, I just think that rugby would be doing itself a disservice by having double standards of player conduct between the professional and Amateur games. Poor conduct has trickled down from Professional to Amateur football we don't want to spoil our sport.


Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink


I don't think any of us would not have him in our squad but that is not the point surely. The game doesn't need antics like AWJ & Biggar. There are proper channels i.e. captain to ref - full stop. 


The point is...if it was one of ours we wouldn't all be jumping up and down foaming at the mouth over it. So the guy's passionate and feisty for his cause, good for him. One minute we're all getting on Kens back because he doesn't talk to the Ref enough and now this...non story....(I think the phrase used here is...."end of" Wink)




The story is AWJ's conduct. The manner in which players address the officials is important. Usually through the captain (matchday not the waterboy!) and in a respectful manner. Not in an angry confrontational manner. On the Ken matter the criticism is that he doesn't raise specific opposition tactics which are arguably illegal and may have gone unnoticed. That is not the same behaviour as exhibited by AWJ or Dan Biggar for that matter. That I would describe as harrying the ref, sometimes aggressively. That is what is unacceptable ... just like Cubby's now infamous gesture was.


We're all losing the plot here.....these players are asked to go out there, get involved and win...not asking them to behave like Boy Scouts.

Give me a team full of guys who care about what goes on. Cubby's now infamous gesture was another example of faux outrage. What do we want in this game...run by wimps who play nicely, do the right things shake hands and then...get the bejeezus beaten out of them and lose on a regular basis.

I'm fed up of sitting back getting the other side of the face slapped and being a nice guy. [beep] that lets just win and worry about the cr@p afterwards.


Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

these players are asked to go out there, get involved and win...


Not when they're water carriers though.

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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by sgsmorgan sgsmorgan wrote:

I don't know but there is something about this topic I guess that is quite typical of SF I suppose. If this had been one of our "legends" then I guess the reactions would have been different (dons Tin Hat and waits for barrage of outrage) but my view is probably different to most.

He's a guy who bleeds and would possibly die for his club and country and as such things like this matter. I'd have him over here any day of the week.

Move on...soft news and over blown hypocritical faux outrage. Wink


I don't think any of us would not have him in our squad but that is not the point surely. The game doesn't need antics like AWJ & Biggar. There are proper channels i.e. captain to ref - full stop. 


The point is...if it was one of ours we wouldn't all be jumping up and down foaming at the mouth over it. So the guy's passionate and feisty for his cause, good for him. One minute we're all getting on Kens back because he doesn't talk to the Ref enough and now this...non story....(I think the phrase used here is...."end of" Wink)




The story is AWJ's conduct. The manner in which players address the officials is important. Usually through the captain (matchday not the waterboy!) and in a respectful manner. Not in an angry confrontational manner. On the Ken matter the criticism is that he doesn't raise specific opposition tactics which are arguably illegal and may have gone unnoticed. That is not the same behaviour as exhibited by AWJ or Dan Biggar for that matter. That I would describe as harrying the ref, sometimes aggressively. That is what is unacceptable ... just like Cubby's now infamous gesture was.


We're all losing the plot here.....these players are asked to go out there, get involved and win...not asking them to behave like Boy Scouts.

Give me a team full of guys who care about what goes on. Cubby's now infamous gesture was another example of faux outrage. What do we want in this game...run by wimps who play nicely, do the right things shake hands and then...get the bejeezus beaten out of them and lose on a regular basis.

I'm fed up of sitting back getting the other side of the face slapped and being a nice guy. [beep] that lets just win and worry about the cr@p afterwards.


Sorry, I totally disagree with the tone of your post. I've never equated decent behaviour with being a wimp. Biggar and lately AWJ have behaved very poorly towards refs. I wouldn't describe it as competitive. I'd describe it as sore losers and churlish. I'd describe Cubby's gesture as foolish. Sure, we all question ref's decisions and sometimes find their performance questionable. However there is a time and a place for dealing with that. On the pitch players need to be showing respect for the officials and focusing on being competitive by effectively dealing with their opponents i.e the other team!

It's a complete fallacy to equate dignified conduct with being a wimp. They say do your talking on the pitch. As far as I'm concerned that means outplaying the opposition and not being a tt to the ref.

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Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 12:44pm
Biggar hounding a ref after a game won't change the result so not sure how that equates to some sort of winning mentality.

On the field cubby has been reprimanded for behaviour, brad also got reprimanded for behaviour off the field.

Not sure why biggar and awj are exceptions.


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 1:45pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

A word of praise for the Blues. They are playing better rugby now than any of the other Welsh Regions and I fancy they would have done a similar job on us on Saturday had we been facing them instead of the Ospreys. They have exciting backs, a very mobile pack with an outstanding back row, and bags of experience and nous in the front row. If I wasn't a die hard Scarlet I could become a Blue.


Potentially they are a very good squad, but they are very inconsistent and ill managed to the point where they haven't even qualified for the Champions Cup since the rule changes were introduced. And no, the Scarlets defence if not their attack would have been less feeble against the Blues than that of the Ospreys. The performances in specific matches notwithstanding, it is the Scarlets who are now Welsh rugby's shining light, especially when one considers their lack of size and arguably wealth compared to the Ospreys and Blues respective catchment areas.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 3:19pm
There is an undercurrent at the Opsreys of arrogant rude and petulant behaviour typified by three of twice bigger stars Biggar AWJ and Webb. They might be the greatest blokes in the world in private but their public persona at the moment is not a good example to yoyngsters.
Hardly surprising though when the Welsh defence coach is lauded in the Welsh press and by past intls for his rude behaviour to press and others.
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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

There is an undercurrent at the Opsreys of arrogant rude and petulant behaviour typified by three of twice bigger stars Biggar AWJ and Webb. They might be the greatest blokes in the world in private but their public persona at the moment is not a good example to yoyngsters.
Hardly surprising though when the Welsh defence coach is lauded in the Welsh press and by past intls for his rude behaviour to press and others.
Manners maketh man and cost nothing.


AWJ has always been curt with the media even at the best of times, and has even publicly said he hates journalists. All the same, the three players you mention are still far more amicable than the likes of Dylan Hartley, Chris Ashton, Joe Marler, and arguably even Owen Farrell.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 4:18pm
Dan has on field issues with restrainined response. Great player, irritating habit.
AWJ has great on field leadership attributes but limited tolerance for other captaincy duties.
Rhys is just feisty.

The English players mentioned are just panto villains with on field discipline records to match. Except Farrell, no idea why he is there, class.


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Dan has on field issues with restrainined response. Great player, irritating habit.
AWJ has great on field leadership attributes but limited tolerance for other captaincy duties.
Rhys is just feisty.

The English players mentioned are just panto villains with on field discipline records to match. Except Farrell, no idea why he is there, class.


Farrell also often whinges to referees and is moreover much grumpier than Biggar. Good player for sure, just not such an endearing personality.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Dan has on field issues with restrainined response. Great player, irritating habit.
AWJ has great on field leadership attributes but limited tolerance for other captaincy duties.
Rhys is just feisty.

The English players mentioned are just panto villains with on field discipline records to match. Except Farrell, no idea why he is there, class.


Farrell also often whinges to referees and is moreover much grumpier than Biggar. Good player for sure, just not such an endearing personality.

Give me Farrell over Biggar any day of the week - as a player & conduct wise. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 5:18pm
I'm afraid Biggar is way out on his own for fails of on field restraint. I can't actually recall anyone coming close, maybe Sean Fitzpatrick...then again he was at least entitled to address the officials.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sorry but it's shocking behaviour. If he was just a member of the O's match day team it would look bad enough, very "football behaviour", but to have that from the Welsh Captain was embarrassing to watch.
He's supposed to be an example to youngsters, not following the ref around to forcefully influence him then nearly fighting with the other team.

Agree 100%. I did comment on this in another thread, but surprisingly no-one answered, there (as far as I know) - probably regarded as too tangential!


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Sorry but it's shocking behaviour. If he was just a member of the O's match day team it would look bad enough, very "football behaviour", but to have that from the Welsh Captain was embarrassing to watch.
He's supposed to be an example to youngsters, not following the ref around to forcefully influence him then nearly fighting with the other team.

Agree 100%. I did comment on this in another thread, but surprisingly no-one answered, there (as far as I know) - probably regarded as too tangential!

I did notice your comment on this issue Aber. However I was so incensed by AWJ's behaviour that I thought that the matter deserved a thread of its own. 

As you've probably noticed, on here a thread can easily be side tracked on to another matter and the original topic of the thread can get ignored and/or glossed over.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Dan has on field issues with restrainined response. Great player, irritating habit.
AWJ has great on field leadership attributes but limited tolerance for other captaincy duties.
Rhys is just feisty.

The English players mentioned are just panto villains with on field discipline records to match. Except Farrell, no idea why he is there, class.


Farrell also often whinges to referees and is moreover much grumpier than Biggar. Good player for sure, just not such an endearing personality.


Give me Farrell over Biggar any day of the week - as a player & conduct wise. 
Apart from sometimes cheap and late hits. Nasty streak to the guy.

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"I'd rather have been a judge than a miner.Being a miner,as soon as you are too old and tired and sick and stupid to do the job properly,you have to go.The very opposite applies with judges!"P.Cook


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 17 April 2017 at 8:35pm
Biggar is an embarrassment Farrell is class keeps getting hit time after time and gets on with game never seen him behave as childishly as Biggar.
Biggar might be great bloke off pitch but a disgrace on it if my ten year old behaved like him I would take him off

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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.



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