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Topic: Pro12 Expansion Bus Tour...
Posted By: minded
Subject: Pro12 Expansion Bus Tour...
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:04am
Next stop South Africa!

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plans-officially-proposed-two-12917771#ICID=sharebar_twitter" rel="nofollow - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/radical-plans-officially-proposed-two-12917771#ICID=sharebar_twitter

This does have some merits above the previous stops ie N.America, Georgia etc, in that:
  • they're almost the same timezone making it easy for all parties to watch games
  • ready made rugby audience as two teams already entities in Super Rugby
  • potentially better TV deal coming from their end than current offer from other teams
Down side is the flights are lengthy and from a supporters perspective too expensive, meaning no away support at either end.

What's everyone's feelings in this? Would this have to be cleared by SANZAR or World Rugby? Would the two teams qualify for Europe and how would that work?


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:26am
How on earth Welsh rugby stacks this sort of globalisation up against sorting out player career pathways in the villages and run down economically towns in Wales escapes me! Confused 

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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:49am
With 2 ready-made refugee South African teams, there's some logic, but only instead of (rather than as well as) the Italian teams. Saffers couldn't conceivably qualify for RCC - this would be merely be a lifeline competition for them.

Two long-haul trips for each Pro12 team might be feasible, although cramming them into an already over-crowded schedule seems impractical, but think of the travel for the 2 SA teams - they'd have to be desperate (and have an airline ready to sponsor them) to make it happen, not a the best position to make a sound commercial decision, perhaps.

Sounds like McKeever is flying a kite in the short window of opportunity before Cheetahs & S Kings are disbanded - interesting to see if the will (& money) is there to overcome the obvious challenges with the concept.



Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:55am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

How on earth Welsh rugby stacks this sort of globalisation up against sorting out player career pathways in the villages and run down economically towns in Wales escapes me! Confused 
This sort of globalisation could help pay for that

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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:12pm
Sounds very messy to me. These speculative ideas always have some pot of gold at the end of their rainbow. I'd rather we look to what happens when the stadium debt is paid off and try to build an effective partnership with the WRU. We haven't fixed our own domestic issues yet. Kings are also a pretty toxic brand in SA aren't they?

I wonder if they'd still be interested if the Super 18 ditched their plans to cut franchises?

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

How on earth Welsh rugby stacks this sort of globalisation up against sorting out player career pathways in the villages and run down economically towns in Wales escapes me! Confused 
This sort of globalisation could help pay for that
True , if the TV money stacks up but it is such a cobbled up thing compared to the English league with clubs playing within 50- 250 miles of each other whilst Pro 12 brigade are travelling huge distances. Anyway let's see what happens. All options are worth looking at.

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

With 2 ready-made refugee South African teams, there's some logic, but only instead of (rather than as well as) the Italian teams. Saffers couldn't conceivably qualify for RCC - this would be merely be a lifeline competition for them.

Two long-haul trips for each Pro12 team might be feasible, although cramming them into an already over-crowded schedule seems impractical, but think of the travel for the 2 SA teams - they'd have to be desperate (and have an airline ready to sponsor them) to make it happen, not a the best position to make a sound commercial decision, perhaps.

Sounds like McKeever is flying a kite in the short window of opportunity before Cheetahs & S Kings are disbanded - interesting to see if the will (& money) is there to overcome the obvious challenges with the concept.


One idea may be for say the O's and Scarlets to head to SA en masse and stay there for 2 weeks play both matches then leg it home. There may be a cost saving with block bookings of around 100 people. 

I'm sure that there are plenty of exiles out there to offer some support for the away teams. 


Posted By: mammamammon
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:35pm
Not holding my breath. RSA Teams flying back and forth to Europe every couple of weeks? Or would they based in Europe?

And this pearler "would enable most, if not all games to be played outside the Test window" They can't manage to get the current schedule outside the test windows let alone adding extra games.

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Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

One idea may be for say the O's and Scarlets to head to SA en masse and stay there for 2 weeks play both matches then leg it home. There may be a cost saving with block bookings of around 100 people. 

I'm sure that there are plenty of exiles out there to offer some support for the away teams. 


I think that sentence sums up the Pro12 for me. It truly is the AirB&B of rugby leagues.

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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by mammamammon mammamammon wrote:

Not holding my breath. RSA Teams flying back and forth to Europe every couple of weeks? Or would they based in Europe?

And this pearler "would enable most, if not all games to be played outside the Test window" They can't manage to get the current schedule outside the test windows let alone adding extra games.
Apparently would be looking at a conference based system so less games for everyone.

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:49pm
Think one long haul flight to encompass both away fixtures would be very sensible on lots of levels, not just financially. The Saffers could do similarly for their away matches.

It'd mean the PRO12 would have to give all clubs equal and better balance of home and away scheduling than they've been capable of/willing to do so far.

Let's see what happens.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Think one long haul flight to encompass both away fixtures would be very sensible on lots of levels, not just financially. The Saffers could do similarly for their away matches.

It'd mean the PRO12 would have to give all clubs equal and better balance of home and away scheduling than they've been capable of/willing to do so far.

Let's see what happens.
You may have to get booked up in The Sessile Oak nice and early Steve if there are 23 plus burly Safas going to arrive on their away fortnight! The battle for breakfast buffet could be interesting as well!! Wink 

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Think one long haul flight to encompass both away fixtures would be very sensible on lots of levels, not just financially. The Saffers could do similarly for their away matches.

It'd mean the PRO12 would have to give all clubs equal and better balance of home and away scheduling than they've been capable of/willing to do so far.

Let's see what happens.
You may have to get booked up in The Sessile Oak nice and early Steve if there are 23 plus burly Safas going to arrive on their away fortnight! The battle for breakfast buffet could be interesting as well!! Wink 
They'll be staying somewhere far grander!

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 8:08pm
I assume you don't mean The Premier Inn either EP! LOL

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I assume you don't mean The Premier Inn either EP! LOL
Even grander than that 😉

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Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 10:35am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I assume you don't mean The Premier Inn either EP! LOL
Even grander than that 😉

Toulon had half their quad in the Central Travelodge the last time we played them !


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 10:57am
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

I assume you don't mean The Premier Inn either EP! LOL
Even grander than that 😉


Toulon had half their quad in the Central Travelodge the last time we played them !
There are many things different about Toulon. Staying and training in the area for about 3 days being another, on their previous visit. Good on 'em.

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by mammamammon mammamammon wrote:

Not holding my breath. RSA Teams flying back and forth to Europe every couple of weeks? Or would they based in Europe?

And this pearler "would enable most, if not all games to be played outside the Test window" They can't manage to get the current schedule outside the test windows let alone adding extra games.


And what happens during the 6 nations? We're in an International window Saf isn't. Indeed what happens with the rugby seasons? Theirs is different to ours and for a reason too- it would be hot in Bloemfontein in January- not so bad in Port Elizabeth.

Sounds a great idea but there are alot of details to be ironed out. 


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by mammamammon mammamammon wrote:

Not holding my breath. RSA Teams flying back and forth to Europe every couple of weeks? Or would they based in Europe?

And this pearler "would enable most, if not all games to be played outside the Test window" They can't manage to get the current schedule outside the test windows let alone adding extra games.


And what happens during the 6 nations? We're in an International window Saf isn't. Indeed what happens with the rugby seasons? Theirs is different to ours and for a reason too- it would be hot in Bloemfontein in January- not so bad in Port Elizabeth.

Sounds a great idea but there are alot of details to be ironed out. 

Does it? Realistically the best thing we could do over the next few years is enter a British League minus the Italians and including the 4 Welsh, 4 Irish, 2 Scots, 12 English in the top league and 2 more from the Championship- London Irish and the Cornish Pirates (with their new stadium) maybe?
Split that into two tiers with two relegations and promotions each year.
Then maybe a third tier with English Championship teams, Regional A teams, and Irish A teams?


Posted By: mammamammon
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by mammamammon mammamammon wrote:

Not holding my breath. RSA Teams flying back and forth to Europe every couple of weeks? Or would they based in Europe?

And this pearler "would enable most, if not all games to be played outside the Test window" They can't manage to get the current schedule outside the test windows let alone adding extra games.


And what happens during the 6 nations? We're in an International window Saf isn't. Indeed what happens with the rugby seasons? Theirs is different to ours and for a reason too- it would be hot in Bloemfontein in January- not so bad in Port Elizabeth.

Sounds a great idea but there are alot of details to be ironed out. 


Sounds like a desperate idea dreamt up by someone involved with a failed structure in South Africa that's trying to justify their job. The issues you hilight jus add to the argument not to take it seriously

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Posted By: ExileTom
Date Posted: 26 April 2017 at 8:05am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39713384" rel="nofollow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/39713384

Currie Cup teams joining the Anglo-Welsh seems to be the latest suggestion



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