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Topic: Snap General Election
Posted By: najbritcol
Subject: Snap General Election
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:47pm
What do you think of this? IMO it is a cynical ploy by Theresa May to destroy Labour and to be re elected before the full effects of Brexit are really felt.



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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 12:54pm
Theresa May wants to stay in power and will do almost anything to achieve that goal. Personally have no problem with that. If the only thing that was stopping her from calling an election was a promise made to Corbyn she'd have been daft.
On her end it's a clever move, it solves a few problems:
1) There is no real competition to a Tory landslide thanks to Corbyn. Therefore - low risk.
2) It achieves an election before what is likely to be a pretty poor brexit deal lowers public confidence in her.
3) It can stop the line that's trotted out for her so often that she was never officially voted in by the public.

However for us, we get a choice between someone way out of her depth at the top (May), another who couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery (Corbyn) and a homophobe (Farron). Great fun.


Posted By: redeyes
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by najbritcol najbritcol wrote:

What do you think of this? IMO it is a cynical ploy by Theresa May to destroy Labour and to be re elected before the full effects of Brexit are really felt.

Labour are doing a pretty good job of destroying themselves through inept leadership facilitated by support from the trade unions.


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:26pm
I don't understand why Corbyn gets such a bad press although his anti-rich stance I would hazard a guess annoys quite a few powerful people who happen to be in control of our newspapers and therefore what a lot of the population regurgitate. You read what he actually says and he's very much in favour of workers rights, anti-loveliness, anti-old school lovely politics; things which I thought many would agree with? Yet he has this conception that he would be a disaster if placed in power, in part due to the division in the labour party but also I think the media have a lot to do with it.

It is also not, and should not, be just about the leader of the party - we see what happens in the US when it becomes way too personal.

I can see why May has called it: she wants a bigger majority and not have to deal with her backbenchers during Brexit, which arguably are as big a problem as Labour at the moment. You strike when you think the opportunity is best, as clearly she must do. 

We may have a Tory government for a looooong time I can't help feeling.....


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:51pm
The Media which is extreme Tory and right wing totally control public opinion, The Media were responsible for the result of the Brexit referendum. The Mail, Sun and Express are the worst offenders with the biggest and wildest hysteria headline. Most people don't read beyond the headlines and get their information from them. The country is crying out for a government that can tackle major problems like NHS, Poverty, Care in the Community, Defence, Education and the like. All they ever do is move the deckchairs around and apply loads of sticking plaster to problems. Also the First Past the Post election method no longer serves the electorate, time to change and join the 21st century.

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Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The Media which is extreme Tory and right wing totally control public opinion, The Media were responsible for the result of the Brexit referendum. The Mail, Sun and Express are the worst offenders with the biggest and wildest hysteria headline. Most people don't read beyond the headlines and get their information from them. The country is crying out for a government that can tackle major problems like NHS, Poverty, Care in the Community, Defence, Education and the like. All they ever do is move the deckchairs around and apply loads of sticking plaster to problems. Also the First Past the Post election method no longer serves the electorate, time to change and join the 21st century.

Left wing papers like the gUardian helped with brexit, also the left wing bbc

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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The Media which is extreme Tory and right wing totally control public opinion, The Media were responsible for the result of the Brexit referendum. The Mail, Sun and Express are the worst offenders with the biggest and wildest hysteria headline. Most people don't read beyond the headlines and get their information from them. The country is crying out for a government that can tackle major problems like NHS, Poverty, Care in the Community, Defence, Education and the like. All they ever do is move the deckchairs around and apply loads of sticking plaster to problems. Also the First Past the Post election method no longer serves the electorate, time to change and join the 21st century.


Excellent post.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:19pm
Could have some interesting editorials from the Evening Standard in the run-up....

Sorry for bringing the media up; they're just so influential in our politics! Who do people generally want in power, their MP, the government? No judgement from me: I am expecting a Tory victory and suspect the majority view TM and mates as a safe pair of hands to negotiate the choppy waters of Brexit. Be interesting to see if Labour lose more seats in Wales again. Oxford East has been Labour for ages and is a good seat for a new candidate as the current MP is not re-standing.

Or are you just sick of politics and elections? Post-Brexit and Trump I am pretty disillusioned by it all in truth and I though Brexit had some nasty stuff on both sides of the debate.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The Media which is extreme Tory and right wing totally control public opinion, The Media were responsible for the result of the Brexit referendum. The Mail, Sun and Express are the worst offenders with the biggest and wildest hysteria headline. Most people don't read beyond the headlines and get their information from them. The country is crying out for a government that can tackle major problems like NHS, Poverty, Care in the Community, Defence, Education and the like. All they ever do is move the deckchairs around and apply loads of sticking plaster to problems. Also the First Past the Post election method no longer serves the electorate, time to change and join the 21st century.

Left wing papers like the gUardian helped with brexit, also the left wing bbc

How so? By trying to give a balanced view, as opposed to the hysterical pro-Brexit propaganda of the right-wing press? (Does anyone still remember the crazy stories these papers made up? I remember one of them claimed that 'Brussels is set to ban British pickled onions' once, FFS!). 

You do have a sort of point - the Beeb fell into a trap of 'balance' which allowed statements signed by dozens of Nobel laureates, or hundreds of economists, explaining exactly why Brexit would be a disaster to be cancelled out by a few minutes of hysteria from clowns like Farage, Boris or Carswell. This, surely, is not what 'balance' should look like - if it was, every Brian Cox programme should be balanced by equal time for the Flat Earth Society!


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The Media which is extreme Tory and right wing totally control public opinion, The Media were responsible for the result of the Brexit referendum. The Mail, Sun and Express are the worst offenders with the biggest and wildest hysteria headline. Most people don't read beyond the headlines and get their information from them. The country is crying out for a government that can tackle major problems like NHS, Poverty, Care in the Community, Defence, Education and the like. All they ever do is move the deckchairs around and apply loads of sticking plaster to problems. Also the First Past the Post election method no longer serves the electorate, time to change and join the 21st century.

I do feel that Labour (and other parties) should call out these papers, as they are never going to get anything like a fair deal from them.

It's shocking that most of our newspapers (who undoubtedly will back May) are owned by TAX DODGING EXPATRIATES:

Mail titles: Lord Rothermere, non-dom for tax, 'lives' in Monte Carlo (when not in London!)

Sun, Times, Sunday Times: Rupert Murdoch, one-time Aussie, now USA citizen - not a UK taxpayer

Telegraph titles: Barclay brothers - own a channel island to avoid paying tax (the Wikipedia entry is a bit too 'balanced' for my taste, but still illuminating). 

As always, 'Private Eye' has consistently exposed these shysters over many years.

I have reservations about Corbyn, but the Tories are so deep in the pockets of these crooks (so was Blair, of course) that you can't even see their hairlines. No doubt they'll go on celebrating their unholy alliance, unless a deal can be reached by other parties to turf out these crooks.


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 2:45pm
Papers burn easily.....


Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 3:26pm
What about these papers the guardian, the mirror , the independent

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 3:46pm
Clearly she expects to increase her majority and was looking a little smug yesterday. I was surprised as they have a  20% lead so she could have coasted for a few years. However she claims its simply being called so she can have a clear mandate and majority to then go into negotiations with the EU with a stronger hand. Whether this is opportunistic or not, its put the heat on everyone else to put their cards on the table and offer alternative policies to the tories.

The libs may pilfer a few votes from hard line bremainers, plaed may pick up bremainers but probably wont move much, UKIP? Well without farage and now this unimpressive scouser in charge may gain a few from those who want a hard brexit, but lose a few percent to the tories too...Labour? Well theyre in the middle on europe , they say theyre fighting for the best brexit deal (softer brexit not sure what hard or soft actually mean exactly) 

Corbyn needs to convince on the economy more than anything else. With a strong balanced economy all his wishes to fund the public services and nhs better etc etc can only come true with a strong economy. Clearly the tories will serve their own, the elite 1%. They allow some of it to trickle down. Corbyn has 7 weeks to lay out a masterplan for leading the country. An industrial strategy would be a good place to start, followed by a chat about clause 4 then lowering VAT (That is a major issue he can point out major tory hypocrisy here... labour are LOWERING this tax on the masses, whereas the tories always RAISE this tax on the masses), raising the top end tax another, offering help for SME's (totally absent under the last labour government) He needs to recognise the EU's ass of burocratic rules and regulations simply emboldens corporations and wipes out the SME's ability to compete. There needs to be far different regulations for massive companies as opposed to small ones.... 

Also drawing attention to the mega cheap sale of public land and draw attention to local government waste. He needs to also bring up the GP doctors contract labour gave the doctors in 2004 that allowed 90% of all doctors to opt OUT of out of hours work....That has created chaos, he needs to scrap it...He also needs to lay out a comprehensive strategy for allowing a healthier competitive economy and bring back the monopolies and mergers commission. That is now defunct and in its absence we've seen the obscene corporate take overs and megabank takeovers most of which ended in catastrophe. He can also underline the fact he was against the Iraq war. I expect labour will lose heavily but I really hope he and labour can make the best of this opportunity to re-find their identity, hold the government to account and make the best of a difficult situation. Simply being angry at the greedy tories will only appeal the the members....the country at large wants and needs to know labours masterplan and that lessons from blairs lot have been learned


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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Sun, Times, Sunday Times: Rupert Murdoch, one-time Aussie, now USA citizen - not a UK taxpayer

Telegraph titles: Barclay brothers - own a channel island to avoid paying tax (the Wikipedia entry is a bit too 'balanced' for my taste, but still illuminating).

Regardless, The Times is a balanced, centrist paper which opposed Brexit (even when it's proprietor championed it). The editorial direction clearly doesn't pander to Murdoch which makes it odds with the Sun, Sky or Fox News.




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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Or are you just sick of politics and elections? Post-Brexit and Trump I am pretty disillusioned by it all in truth and I though Brexit had some nasty stuff on both sides of the debate.

What I'm sick of is the Tory party attitude that debate needs to be silenced and we all need to "muck in" behind Brexit "in the national interest". Theresa May dislikes debate (no parliament input on the final Brexit terms and now she's pushed a snap election while the opposition is at it's weakest to get a mandate and a majority to push through extreme Tory policies) and is probably the most authoritarian politician of our generation. 

This is the loudest, silent coup I've known. It has echos of Erdowan in Turkey and her embarrassing Minister's (Johnson's failures on Syria and Truss miserable support for the "enemies of the people" / Judges during the Brexit High Court ruling) are bordering on incompetent.

You've got to hope Corbyn can pull it out of the bag. I usually vote Lib Dem, but we've got a Labour candidate (Paul Flynn) who could hold his seat so he'll get my vote. For those opposed to Brexit and a corrupt Tory government, tactical voting is the order of the day.

It can't be more of a disaster than the 2015 election, Brexit and Trump can it...? 




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Posted By: BlackwoodScarlet
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 4:51pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Or are you just sick of politics and elections? Post-Brexit and Trump I am pretty disillusioned by it all in truth and I though Brexit had some nasty stuff on both sides of the debate.




What I'm sick of is the Tory party attitude that debate needs to be silenced and we all need to "muck in" behind Brexit "in the national interest". Theresa May dislikes debate (no parliament input on the final Brexit terms and now she's pushed a snap election while the opposition is at it's weakest to get a mandate and a majority to push through extreme Tory policies) and is probably the most authoritarian politician of our generation. 

This is the loudest, silent coup I've known. It has echos of Erdowan in Turkey and her embarrassing Minister's (Johnson's failures on Syria and Truss miserable support for the "enemies of the people" / Judges during the Brexit High Court ruling) are bordering on incompetent.

You've got to hope Corbyn can pull it out of the bag. I usually vote Lib Dem, but we've got a Labour candidate (Paul Flynn) who could hold his seat so he'll get my vote. For those opposed to Brexit and a corrupt Tory government, tactical voting is the order of the day.

It can't be more of a disaster than the 2015 election, Brexit and Trump can it...? 




I think you will find its the left who dont like debate

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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

I think you will find its the left who dont like debate

How so in the context of the UK? 



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Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 6:02pm
Surely all but the most one-eyed Brexiteers know that the European Union will ultimately have the upper hand in the negotiations and are hardly going to be conciliatory and favourable towards the UK.


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by BlackwoodScarlet BlackwoodScarlet wrote:

What about these papers the guardian, the mirror , the independent

Their combined readership is far below that of the papers owned by tax-dodging Tory supporters. It baffles me that the Mail - a paper that supported Hitler in the 1930s - is so popular. I suppose it has drifted slightly to the right since then...


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Or are you just sick of politics and elections? Post-Brexit and Trump I am pretty disillusioned by it all in truth and I though Brexit had some nasty stuff on both sides of the debate.

What I'm sick of is the Tory party attitude that debate needs to be silenced and we all need to "muck in" behind Brexit "in the national interest". Theresa May dislikes debate (no parliament input on the final Brexit terms and now she's pushed a snap election while the opposition is at it's weakest to get a mandate and a majority to push through extreme Tory policies) and is probably the most authoritarian politician of our generation. 

This is the loudest, silent coup I've known. It has echos of Erdowan in Turkey and her embarrassing Minister's (Johnson's failures on Syria and Truss miserable support for the "enemies of the people" / Judges during the Brexit High Court ruling) are bordering on incompetent.

You've got to hope Corbyn can pull it out of the bag. I usually vote Lib Dem, but we've got a Labour candidate (Paul Flynn) who could hold his seat so he'll get my vote. For those opposed to Brexit and a corrupt Tory government, tactical voting is the order of the day.

It can't be more of a disaster than the 2015 election, Brexit and Trump can it...? 



Fair points.

It strikes me as being a bit rich that Corbyn copped a lot of heat for not fighting harder to stop Brexit (my wife, for one, has not forgiven him) whereas May - who also in theory was a Remainer, kept her head so low below the parapet that she is now allowed to present herself as the 'Hard Brexit Queen' - a classic example of political expediency, cowardice and cynicism. She has again proved her gutlessness by refusing to debate with the other main parties on TV. Pathetic, really. How to lead from behind.


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Posted By: TomTom
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 8:08pm
All the debate doesn't matter , the pendulum has swung in favour of extremism (left or right)....There is only one thing to look forward to is war ...Look back at history and its just repeating itself .....


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Or are you just sick of politics and elections? Post-Brexit and Trump I am pretty disillusioned by it all in truth and I though Brexit had some nasty stuff on both sides of the debate.

What I'm sick of is the Tory party attitude that debate needs to be silenced and we all need to "muck in" behind Brexit "in the national interest". Theresa May dislikes debate (no parliament input on the final Brexit terms and now she's pushed a snap election while the opposition is at it's weakest to get a mandate and a majority to push through extreme Tory policies) and is probably the most authoritarian politician of our generation. 

This is the loudest, silent coup I've known. It has echos of Erdowan in Turkey and her embarrassing Minister's (Johnson's failures on Syria and Truss miserable support for the "enemies of the people" / Judges during the Brexit High Court ruling) are bordering on incompetent.

You've got to hope Corbyn can pull it out of the bag. I usually vote Lib Dem, but we've got a Labour candidate (Paul Flynn) who could hold his seat so he'll get my vote. For those opposed to Brexit and a corrupt Tory government, tactical voting is the order of the day.

It can't be more of a disaster than the 2015 election, Brexit and Trump can it...? 



Fair points.

It strikes me as being a bit rich that Corbyn copped a lot of heat for not fighting harder to stop Brexit (my wife, for one, has not forgiven him) whereas May - who also in theory was a Remainer, kept her head so low below the parapet that she is now allowed to present herself as the 'Hard Brexit Queen' - a classic example of political expediency, cowardice and cynicism. She has again proved her gutlessness by refusing to debate with the other main parties on TV. Pathetic, really. How to lead from behind.

Good point, she sat on the fence too


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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 10:33pm
This is as much about internal Tory battles as it is about Labour. May doesn't want to be beholden to her party's lunatic fringe who could easily revert into b'stard mode a la John Major. Yes it is politically expedient that Labour are well behind in the polls but I think she wants to pick up 50 or so extra MP's so that she has a buffer in parliament.

What does it mean to me personally? Well, the wheel kerps turning doesn't it! Corbyn hit a lot of my buttons today but when I think of the utter ineptitude of Welsh Labour and the shocking way in which Wales is run, I can't bring myself to vote Labour. I used to vote Plaid because I wholeheartedly believe the best way for Wales to thrive is for us to pull ourselves up by our own bootlaces - i.e. we govern ourselves. However I've never seen such a weak proposition as Plaid. Good grief get some ambition! The tories are an anathema for me and the Libs have gone to hide in a cave and found a neanderthal to lead them after the existential crisis for them that was the coalition government.

On a different note try the test on %20" rel="nofollow - https://www.politicalcompass.org . I found it useful. Helped me to think about where I could best place my vote. Just a pity in Llanelli it'll have zero effect as no doubt Labour's rosetted donkey will be elected as it has done since before written history!

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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 10:37pm
On the subject of Corbyn- since being elected he has failed to control his own party or even challenge the Conservative majority. For the government to do right they need a strong Labour and a strong Conservative party to keep each other in check.
Amazes me how Corbyn can have failed to stand up to the weakest Conservative leadership in years, have fallen to roughly 24 points behind them, have suffered major embarrassments and have failed to keep even lifelong Labour politicians on his side; yet people still think to seem he's a saviour. Let's be honest the bloke is a joke.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 April 2017 at 11:33pm
We talk here, the great talk about us beng the most Welsh Welsh region stuff yet it's all about Corbyn Corbyn Corbyn as the Welsh saviour up in Islington or somewhere up in London but what about our own party as the most Welsh region in the so called "most Welsh club" i.e. Plaid Cymru? Scotland puts us to shame some might say in their national support for their country's party. Discuss

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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 8:29am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

We talk here, the great talk about us beng the most Welsh Welsh region stuff yet it's all about Corbyn Corbyn Corbyn as the Welsh saviour up in Islington or somewhere up in London but what about our own party as the most Welsh region in the so called "most Welsh club" i.e. Plaid Cymru? Scotland puts us to shame some might say in their national support for their country's party. Discuss


The problem with Plaid is they've fallen for the very argument their opponents put against them, that is Wales is too crap to do anything for itself and needs Mummy England to wipe its botty. They need to demonstrate how they would improve our economy to the point where we stand proudly on our own two feet and how self governance would benefit every member of our nation.

Instead we get Leanne Wood bleating on about "In the Rhondda..." or "Westminster isn't giving us enough money..."

On your other point, I don't see Corbyn as any sort of saviour. Just a man with left wing policies leading a party who are, in the main, right of centre and desperately divided. I like some of his policies and agree with some of his analysis. I can't bear his party.

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 8:47am
The problem with the electoral system in the UK is that some two thirds of the voting population will be governed by the remaining one third who are elected by the first past the post system.

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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 9:51am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

The problem with the electoral system in the UK is that some two thirds of the voting population will be governed by the remaining one third who are elected by the first past the post system.


25% in 2015!

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 9:55am
Flawed system but thats what we have. 


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 10:50am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Flawed system but thats what we have. 


Hence why we need some form of PR.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 11:40am
Totally agree but which party of the big two will, when in power, attempt the change? Be like turkeys voting fro Xmas. If fairness was the yardstick it would have happened years ago. But lets face it even when we get a simple majority vote a la Brexit people still don't stop whingeing.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 11:41am
Has anyone seen Neil Hamilton the Ukip leader at The Scarlets? One of Carmarthens finest moments to be proud of  electing him/UKip in!!! For some reason though I just feel embarrassed every time I see him pop up with huge regularity on the Telly and think how stupid some folk down west are! Of course I could be the stupid one!!Stern Smile

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Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Has anyone seen Neil Hamilton the Ukip leader at The Scarlets? One of Carmarthens finest moments to be proud of  electing him/UKip in!!! For some reason though I just feel embarrassed every time I see him pop up with huge regularity on the Telly and think how stupid some folk down west are! Of course I could be the stupid one!!Stern Smile


Ammanford boy isn't he? Done Wales proud

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 12:20pm
how on earth did hamilton get elected?

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 1:18pm
Makes a mockery really. Being an Ammanford boy myself how do I go about disowning him?


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Makes a mockery really. Being an Ammanford boy myself how do I go about disowning him?

I think you just have !!! LOLLOLLOL


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 1:28pm
Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Has anyone seen Neil Hamilton the Ukip leader at The Scarlets? One of Carmarthens finest moments to be proud of  electing him/UKip in!!! For some reason though I just feel embarrassed every time I see him pop up with huge regularity on the Telly and think how stupid some folk down west are! Of course I could be the stupid one!!Stern Smile


Ammanford boy isn't he? Done Wales proud

Hamilton got totally shamed a few months back on Question Time when one of the other panelists pointed out that NONE of the UKIP members elected to the WAG even lived or owned a home in Wales !!

I'm sorry, but that made us Welsh look somewhat stupid. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

how on earth did hamilton get elected?

Maybe because he had the good taste to get a degree in Aberystwyth?Wink


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Makes a mockery really. Being an Ammanford boy myself how do I go about disowning him?
stones throw from our houses gareth.


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 3:16pm
More a comment on the good folk of Carmarthen who voted him in! Good Scarlets territory as well which makes it more shocking!! Embarrassed

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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 3:36pm
Ukip should dismantle themselves now as they have achieved their aim. They serve no purpose other than to muddy the waters.

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 3:46pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Makes a mockery really. Being an Ammanford boy myself how do I go about disowning him?
stones throw from our houses gareth.

Get those stones ready, in case he pays a visit!Wink


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 21 April 2017 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Has anyone seen Neil Hamilton the Ukip leader at The Scarlets? One of Carmarthens finest moments to be proud of  electing him/UKip in!!! For some reason though I just feel embarrassed every time I see him pop up with huge regularity on the Telly and think how stupid some folk down west are! Of course I could be the stupid one!!Stern Smile


You're right to feel embarrassed- I do. His mysogynist attitude to all his female opponents is a disgrace.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 April 2017 at 8:12am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Makes a mockery really. Being an Ammanford boy myself how do I go about disowning him?
stones throw from our houses gareth.

Yes I remember - pretty large residence if I recall Nige. 


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 8:40am
Well, campaigning now well under way. Labour's manifesto resonates with me and is very much about equality. I know he has this image issue (not least thanks to our [beep] newspapers in this country and perhaps his lack of stage presence) but I find myself agreeing with the majority of what Corbyn says and at least he is a principled and ethical person. May just bashes out catchphrases on repeat and her stance on immigration (remember that speech when she was home secretary?) and social mobility (this more grammar schools obsession is odd) aren't to my liking. Plus she has not really said anything about what her party actually is offering yet; it's more been a ceaseless, childish criticism of Corbyn. I still don't believe the Conservatives care about "just about managing" and low income areas/people; this is just an angle to get the middle-class vote I suspect.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 9:14am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Well, campaigning now well under way. Labour's manifesto resonates with me and is very much about equality. I know he has this image issue (not least thanks to our [beep] newspapers in this country and perhaps his lack of stage presence) but I find myself agreeing with the majority of what Corbyn says and at least he is a principled and ethical person. May just bashes out catchphrases on repeat and her stance on immigration (remember that speech when she was home secretary?) and social mobility (this more grammar schools obsession is odd) aren't to my liking. Plus she has not really said anything about what her party actually is offering yet; it's more been a ceaseless, childish criticism of Corbyn. I still don't believe the Conservatives care about "just about managing" and low income areas/people; this is just an angle to get the middle-class vote I suspect.

Cannot disagree with anything you have said. Corbyn has the unenviable task over the next 4 weeks of convincing large swathes of this country that he can be trusted on the economy & security. Stranger things have happened but he clearly has factions within his party fighting against him which makes his job a lot harder. 


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 13 May 2017 at 9:51pm
the point is, I'm not Corbyn's biggest fan, thought Burnham would have made a better leader, but the more I see Corbyn talk on TV the more I resonate with him..... poo!!!!!!

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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett



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