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Topic: Coetzee and Piutau out
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Coetzee and Piutau out
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 2:07pm
Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..



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Posted By: alec_d
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 2:09pm
Also none of their lions players as well,still a very tough game,but good chance for the win


Posted By: Micro Duck
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 2:17pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..
Sorted!

So no Coetzee, Piutau, Best, Henderson and Payne.

Every little helps, but I still expect a tough encounter.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 2:24pm
Thats a great boost for us. Take those 5 starters out along with Pienaar, Olding & their No 10 whose name I can never remember & the odds definitely swing a little in our favour. Even their 1st choice front 5 are no match for ours so we can take charge there. Their backs are dangerous even without Payne & Piutau but we have the edge at half back. 


Posted By: Micro Duck
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:06pm
Craig Gilroy, Ross Kane and Schalk van der Merwe also not available, as are Paddy Jackson and Stuart Olding for obvious reasons.

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Posted By: Micro Duck
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:07pm
How's Leali'ifano going for Ulster at fly half?

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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:13pm
This is great news for us for sure! I was pretty sure that we could beat them regardless, given how we've been playing since the end of last season. ClapClapClapStarStarStar

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Posted By: Pilgrim
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..

Ah, your spelling is fine.

Your grammar though ....

Tongue


Posted By: Pilgrim
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:26pm
Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

This is great news for us for sure! I was pretty sure that we could beat them regardless, given how we've been playing since the end of last season. ClapClapClapStarStarStar

You might be right. Don't think we're getting our B&I Lions players back either.

Could be a hammering Ouch


Posted By: alec_d
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:30pm
It's definitely a bonus for us,but let's not get too carried away,Ulster is still one of the hardest places to get a win regardless who they have out etc,we also rarely play well there for some reason?!!


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:40pm
Wind, rain and a baying home crowd don't usually help the situation. (Not to mention interfering Irish TMOs!)

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wind, rain and a baying home crowd don't usually help the situation. (Not to mention interfering Irish TMOs!)

Indeed - it won't be easy to win out there, but the unavailability of several Ulster stars definitely improves our chances.

It seems, too, that Foxy and Ken are training and in contention for the Scarlets...


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Posted By: TheKing
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 3:51pm
Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..
Sorted!

So no Coetzee, Piutau, Best, Henderson and Payne.

Every little helps, but I still expect a tough encounter.

Its got to be expected that wed beat a side depleated like that with our current side, form and momentum


Posted By: najbritcol
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..
Sorted!

So no Coetzee, Piutau, Best, Henderson and Payne.

Every little helps, but I still expect a tough encounter.

Are the three Lions you mentioned injured or just rested?  (The IRFU tends to be even more zealous than the WRU in interfering with player selection).


Posted By: sgsmorgan
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by TheKing TheKing wrote:

Originally posted by Micro Duck Micro Duck wrote:

Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

Excuse the spelling boys,but both Ulster star players,out of Fridays game against us ..
Sorted!

So no Coetzee, Piutau, Best, Henderson and Payne.

Every little helps, but I still expect a tough encounter.

Its got to be expected that wed beat a side depleated like that with our current side, form and momentum


Indeed indeed...however this Friday has "Banana Skin" written all over it (metaphorically speaking) if we ain't careful.

They will think they are going into the match (funnily enough) as underdogs and would just love to wipe the smug smiles of our faces after our matches against Leinster, Munster and Connacht at the end of last Season.

I think it's time we made a serious statement and just kept going and became ruthless. With the missing players that Ulster will have we should get a serious result but....beware a cornered animal as they say and Ulster will really want to put one over us.....

Also bear in mind one of their Coaching Staff knows us really well......really well and will also know the Scarlets mindset.

Quite frankly I'd take a one point win but obviously hope for more. If we can beat them and prevent them getting a home losing bonus point then job well done.


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 4:30pm
I thought Coney at scrum half played well against the Cheetahs.  Good box kicking and game management.  Coetzee had a stormer and will be sorely missed.  Ulster  run varied and imaginitive back line moves, must not be taken lightly.


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Posted By: Speedy
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 5:51pm
They looked very beatable against Treviso. Ravenhill rain wont worry us. Or the crowd. Reffing has improved last few years to what it was.

If Treviso can starve them of posession, then there is no reason why we cannot.


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Posted By: Tim Opolis
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 7:02pm
I'd have settled for just Henderson being out. Whoever turns out for them however will be fired up. The defending champions coming to Belfast on a Friday night can always rely on a passionate welcome. Fancy us though, should be a cracker.

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Posted By: ChrisX
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 7:28pm
personey has started pretty well at 9 for them, big boots of pienaar to fill. 

coetzee didnt play against treviso did he?

missing lots of big names yes but can still field likes of ludik, trimble, bowe, mccloskey will come at us hard, as will stockdale im sure. 

IF Scarlets can get on top up front it be an interesting encounter. Think Scarlets will have the upper hand in front 5?


Posted By: 2ndtimeround
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 7:41pm
That is a lot of quality missing but it is still Ulster at home with possibly the leagues most effective 16th man and plenty of quality still in the squad.


Posted By: Bryn@man
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 7:44pm
Massive massive game... Only a fool would underestimate even an out of form not quite first XV Ulster playing at Ravenhill or whatever they call it these days. Roll on Friday...


Posted By: PritchyTheScarlet
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 7:49pm
Two big losses for them, along with their Lions that won't feature, but still, they'll be, and are, a very tough side to beat at home. More than confident that we can do the job, they won't relish facing us.

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Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 8:08pm
To answer some of the above:
Lions rested on IRFU player welfare programme.
Coetzee and Piutau also missed Treviso last week.
personey and Lealiifano looking surprisingly good especially the former.
Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Much unrest about the selections so far this season. Not only the lack of availability of players, but also who is selected and especially WHERE they are selected. Bowe at 13 and Diack at lock are 2 examples.

Based on last week, this is going to have to be a massive turnaround in precision and dynamism on our side to even make this a contest.

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Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 8:10pm
Personey = c oon ey

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Posted By: ChrisX
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 8:33pm
ref is italian marius mitrea?


Posted By: Bryn@man
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:


Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Imagine there'll be a few decisions and TMO referrals influenced as a result of the home crowd. Also that mascot of yours Sparky(?) was a handful.... The old Ravenhill was a great ground to visit, quite intimidating. Haven't had the pleasure of a visit since you went all corporate...


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 8:46pm
Ulster may be missing some star names on Friday but will still put out a quality side against Scarlets will be cracking game to watch


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:

To answer some of the above:
Lions rested on IRFU player welfare programme.
Coetzee and Piutau also missed Treviso last week.
personey and Lealiifano looking surprisingly good especially the former.
Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Much unrest about the selections so far this season. Not only the lack of availability of players, but also who is selected and especially WHERE they are selected. Bowe at 13 and Diack at lock are 2 examples.

Based on last week, this is going to have to be a massive turnaround in precision and dynamism on our side to even make this a contest.

Ulster away is still a bit of a bogey for us. With your missing players I think we have the ability there for a fairly comfortable win this time, but it's all in the execution on the day.
We certainly can't throw the wild passes around with your backline. 



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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 September 2017 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:

To answer some of the above:
Lions rested on IRFU player welfare programme.
Coetzee and Piutau also missed Treviso last week.
personey and Lealiifano looking surprisingly good especially the former.
Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Much unrest about the selections so far this season. Not only the lack of availability of players, but also who is selected and especially WHERE they are selected. Bowe at 13 and Diack at lock are 2 examples.

Based on last week, this is going to have to be a massive turnaround in precision and dynamism on our side to even make this a contest.

Hi BRulster welcome back to our forum. The decisions you refer to are a little confusing especially Diack at 5. He is a fine lineout back rower but does not possess the bulk for the row. I, rightly or wrongly, see our front 5 as being our game winner with your front row being a little flaky. I don't see them as much as you but that is where I see our chance. Your back 5 whoever plays will make a game of it but if your front 5 don't get parity it could be a long evening. 


Posted By: 2ndtimeround
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 1:14am
BRulster. Yes the 16th man comment was certainly meant as a compliment, I would love to have that kind of full house for our home games.


Posted By: Dafen Boy
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 3:07am
Originally posted by ChrisX ChrisX wrote:

ref is italian marius mitrea?

An excellent choice. It's the TMO that worries meWink

The pro Irish bias really surfaces more at Ulster than elsewhere.

Can't blame you, with a billion pounds coming your wayEvil Smile


Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 7:30am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:

To answer some of the above:
Lions rested on IRFU player welfare programme.
Coetzee and Piutau also missed Treviso last week.
personey and Lealiifano looking surprisingly good especially the former.
Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Much unrest about the selections so far this season. Not only the lack of availability of players, but also who is selected and especially WHERE they are selected. Bowe at 13 and Diack at lock are 2 examples.

Based on last week, this is going to have to be a massive turnaround in precision and dynamism on our side to even make this a contest.


Hi BRulster welcome back to our forum. The decisions you refer to are a little confusing especially Diack at 5. He is a fine lineout back rower but does not possess the bulk for the row. I, rightly or wrongly, see our front 5 as being our game winner with your front row being a little flaky. I don't see them as much as you but that is where I see our chance. Your back 5 whoever plays will make a game of it but if your front 5 don't get parity it could be a long evening. 


The back row has actually been the major problem over recent times, but we saw a taste of a proper back row v cheetahs (henry, coetzee and deysel) but that only lasted one game. The front 5 have been the lesser problem and our best front 5 can hold their own (notwithstanding that our props can still be in trouble if they meet the wrong man). Once the subs start plodding on (in Rodney Ah You'd case, quite literally), it becomes a problem.
And of course that is predicated by Kiss picking our best front 5 in the first place. His selection has been inexplicable at times.

Backline suffers from static ball going backwards and persistence of tactics refusing to play a territorial game. Bowe is frankly an idiotic choice at 13, even if we had not better centres fit and ready to go.
I await the team announcement or Ripley's Believe It Or Not as it is fast becoming.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:19am
Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by BRulster BRulster wrote:

To answer some of the above:
Lions rested on IRFU player welfare programme.
Coetzee and Piutau also missed Treviso last week.
personey and Lealiifano looking surprisingly good especially the former.
Can I take the 16th man comment as a compliment?

Much unrest about the selections so far this season. Not only the lack of availability of players, but also who is selected and especially WHERE they are selected. Bowe at 13 and Diack at lock are 2 examples.

Based on last week, this is going to have to be a massive turnaround in precision and dynamism on our side to even make this a contest.


Hi BRulster welcome back to our forum. The decisions you refer to are a little confusing especially Diack at 5. He is a fine lineout back rower but does not possess the bulk for the row. I, rightly or wrongly, see our front 5 as being our game winner with your front row being a little flaky. I don't see them as much as you but that is where I see our chance. Your back 5 whoever plays will make a game of it but if your front 5 don't get parity it could be a long evening. 



The back row has actually been the major problem over recent times, but we saw a taste of a proper back row v cheetahs (henry, coetzee and deysel) but that only lasted one game. The front 5 have been the lesser problem and our best front 5 can hold their own (notwithstanding that our props can still be in trouble if they meet the wrong man). Once the subs start plodding on (in Rodney Ah You'd case, quite literally), it becomes a problem.
And of course that is predicated by Kiss picking our best front 5 in the first place. His selection has been inexplicable at times.

Backline suffers from static ball going backwards and persistence of tactics refusing to play a territorial game. Bowe is frankly an idiotic choice at 13, even if we had not better centres fit and ready to go.
I await the team announcement or Ripley's Believe It Or Not as it is fast becoming.

From what I can see Kiss seems to be the major issue. He very rarely sounds convincing & selection is one of the most important aspects of his role. I would expect Marshall & McLoskey to start Friday in the centre. You also seem to have a huge injury list so early in the season - we were very lucky last season on that front. I am afraid that whilst Coetzee is a marvelous player he is carrying a long standing knee problem. I look forward to Friday to see how far we have progressed as a team. It is great to see Samson looking his old self again - there are a few loose heads who won't be looking forward to seeing him this season. Good luck & I hope your Kiss gets it right in his selection. 


Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:33am
Originally posted by Dafen Boy Dafen Boy wrote:

Can't blame you, with a billion pounds coming your wayEvil Smile


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 8:36am
Ulster is still Ulster and no easy game. As M.M would say, I will settle for a one point win over there 👍

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Posted By: Micro Duck
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 9:14am
Yep Ravenhill is still a tough place to play, even with a sponsor's name on it!

This is the real start to the season now.

Tough games are coming thick and fast before the European window.


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 9:16am
I'd be delighted if we get to 23 pts after the first 5 games. 

To me the 4 pts and no losing or try BP for Ulster should be the aim. If we're 3 scores clear with 15mins to go, then we should go for the BP. 

Following week 4 pts against Edinburgh and 5 against Connacht and I'll be delighted.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 9:17am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

I'd be delighted if we get to 23 pts after the first 5 games. 

To me the 4 pts and no losing or try BP for Ulster should be the aim. If we're 3 scores clear with 15mins to go, then we should go for the BP. 

Following week 4 pts against Edinburgh and 5 against Connacht and I'll be delighted.

Your not asking for much Ap Sior!!! It's a sign of the times that I totally agree with you!!!!


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 9:20am
Indeed Ulster are one of our serious challengers for the top 3, the others being Leinster & Edinburgh. Denying Ulster & then Edinburgh anything from the games will be very important to our final position come May. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 9:42am
Originally posted by Dafen Boy Dafen Boy wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisX ChrisX wrote:

ref is italian marius mitrea?

An excellent choice. It's the TMO that worries meWink

The pro Irish bias really surfaces more at Ulster than elsewhere.

Can't blame you, with a billion pounds coming your wayEvil Smile

Mitrea is actually a pretty good ref, usually, and also has some backbone - not one who will give decisions to please a home crowd - again usually. Hope I don't have to eat these words after the game!

TMOs at Ulster can be dodgy, BUT it's the ability of the TV guys to 'lose' evidence of foul play by Ulster players that worries me more. I'd trust the TMOs to get it right if clear evidence of 'whatever' is put before them... of course, some decisions are 50:50.


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Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:05am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Ulster is still Ulster and no easy game. As M.M would say, I will settle for a one point win over there 👍
 
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Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 10:45am
confirmed:
Referee: Marius Mitrea 
AR1:
Vincenzo Schipani AR2: Kieran Barry
TMO:
Alan Falzone


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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 1:00pm
Is Marshall Kilgore also injured? Wink



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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by ChrisX ChrisX wrote:

ref is italian marius mitrea?

he's actually Romanian lol


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Posted By: BRulster
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by NobbySosban NobbySosban wrote:

Is Marshall Kilgore also injured? Wink

I think the lieutenant has finally hung up his white tinted specs.


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 4:21pm
Can't be complacent though.

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 13 September 2017 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Can't be complacent though.


Agreed, however there have been times gone by where before this fixture I would have settled for a losing Bonus Point....now however I think I would be gutted if thats all we got - what a sign of the times.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 14 September 2017 at 9:20pm
Ulster number 8 Jean Deysel now withdrawn could be a long evening for the home team .



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